Harnessing Energy with Piezoelectric Flooring: Materials and Setup Guide

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of harnessing energy through piezoelectric flooring, specifically focusing on the materials and setup required to create a functional prototype. Participants explore the feasibility of using piezoelectric materials to generate electricity from footsteps or vehicle pressure, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of the project.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks materials to create a small piezoelectric flooring setup to measure electricity generated by footsteps.
  • Another participant suggests a link to a supplier of piezoelectric products but expresses uncertainty about which specific materials are needed.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of generating substantial energy from foot traffic, with one participant noting that significant energy generation could lead to discomfort for users.
  • Some participants discuss the potential for piezoelectric materials to be used in high-traffic areas like malls or airports, while questioning the overall efficiency and effectiveness of such a system.
  • There is mention of the low efficiency of piezoelectric ceramics as energy sources compared to their use in sensors, with suggestions for alternative energy generation methods like hydraulic systems.
  • Participants express skepticism about the feasibility of the project for a 9th-grade science fair, suggesting that the energy output may be too low to demonstrate meaningful results.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for calculations to estimate the energy output and efficiency of the proposed piezoelectric flooring system.
  • Another participant highlights the weak piezoelectric response of materials, arguing that it is insufficient for practical energy generation.
  • There are discussions about the limitations of piezoelectric materials, including their small displacement and the challenges in converting mechanical energy to electrical energy effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express skepticism about the effectiveness of piezoelectric flooring as a viable energy source, with multiple competing views on its practicality and efficiency. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the feasibility of the project and the best materials to use.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unclear efficiency of piezoelectric materials for energy generation, the dependence on specific designs and setups, and the unresolved mathematical estimations regarding energy output.

  • #31
The Christian Science Monitor is certainly a reputable source. Please stop posting such nonsense.
 
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  • #32
Wreak_Peace said:
They never mention piezoelectricity... They mention a fluid, which when compressed will create an electrical current.

True, but the only working device that MIT students have built (according to the your MIT link) didn't involve piezoelectricity either. It was a stool with a built-in dynamo that powered 4 LEDs.

The point is, the "waste" energy from humans is not mechanical, it is heat. The heat energy available from a the feet has been measured at about 20 watts. If you want to make an efficient way to collect heat energy, you build some sort of heat engine. That's what the guys from Madison are doing, though they are also using the mechanical pressure from walking to help pump the working fluid around, so far as I can understand their website.

If you think about impedance matching and the maximum power transfer theorem, it seems rather obvious (to me) that attempting to transfer mechanical energy from a walker into the floor, before you convert it to electrical energy, will have a very low efficiency, except perhaps in two cases:

1. You make a very flexible floor, which will be difficult and tiring to walk on.
2. The "walkers" are actually jumping up and down (with straight and stiff legs), which might account for why a similar system "works" in a disco. But I'm much too old to know first hand what goes on in discos these days!
 
  • #33
AlephZero said:
If you think about impedance matching and the maximum power transfer theorem,

I totally understand this...
(Sarcasm, but I do get your point, its not efficient)

But I'm a stubborn person and you'd have to admit that it wouldn't be that inefficient in the busiest areas of an airport (Security Checking, Baggage Claims(Possibly on the baggage claim carousel itself?)) ..
It could also work underneath busy roads, or sidewalks, in New York..

I mentioned this earlier, but underneath takeoff/landing strips there is a potential of a lot of energy, just that it needs to be very flexible and deep underneath the stone.

It'll be really small, but in really busy areas, wouldn't all the tiny footsteps add up?
I kind of made it into a fermi question involving Atl. Hartsfield Jackson, but I'm not that good at them..

And sorry for claiming that the Christian Science Monitor is unreputable, I was just going off of what somebody else said.
 
  • #34
Wreak_Peace said:
I kind of made it into a fermi question involving Atl. Hartsfield Jackson

Except that you refuse to accept the answer.

This thread is done.
 

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