Harnessing Gravitational Energy: A Power Source Abundant Throughout the Universe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential of harnessing gravitational energy as a power source, exploring both theoretical and practical aspects of this concept. Participants examine the feasibility of using gravitational energy, its relationship with thermodynamics, and the implications of utilizing extreme gravitational environments, such as black holes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravitational energy, being abundant throughout the universe, could be a future power source.
  • Others argue that while gravitational energy exists, it is fundamentally a form of potential energy that cannot be continuously harnessed without external input, similar to springs or batteries.
  • A participant mentions that current uses of gravitational energy, such as hydroelectric dams, are not solely powered by gravity but rely on other energy sources, like solar energy.
  • One participant introduces the concept of using black holes as a potential energy source, suggesting that matter could be dropped into a black hole to generate high-velocity streams of particles, though this would not be a sustainable solution.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of thermodynamics in energy extraction, noting that increasing entropy in gravitational systems could allow for energy extraction, but may require moving beyond our solar system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the viability of gravitational energy as a power source. While some see potential in the concept, others challenge its feasibility and sustainability, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding gravitational energy, including the need for external energy sources to utilize gravitational potential and the implications of thermodynamic principles in energy extraction.

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In the world we live in, we can convert and use energy in the form of radiation and turn it into a significant power source. Gravitatoinal energy, which exists throughout the whole universe could be used someday as a power source. Think of it. A power source abundant throughtout the universe.

I need some feed back if I'm just spit balling or any helpful research would be greatly appriciated.
 
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tidal flow is driven by gravity
and fairly eazy to capture [in some places]

water dams use gravity too in rivers

so we useing some gravity to make power now
 
Mirza90 said:
In the world we live in, we can convert and use energy in the form of radiation and turn it into a significant power source. Gravitatoinal energy, which exists throughout the whole universe could be used someday as a power source. Think of it. A power source abundant throughtout the universe.

I need some feed back if I'm just spit balling or any helpful research would be greatly appriciated.
Welcome to PF. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what gravity and gravitational energy are. Gravity is not radiated energy, it is an attraction between two objects due to their mass bending space. A book sitting on a table is affected by gravity forever, with a constant force, but no energy is exchanged between the book and table/earth.

Gravitational energy is a form of potential energy. A book sitting on a table has more gravitational potential energy than a book sitting on the floor below the table. But the only way to use this energy is to move the book from one location to to the other. And obviously, once you've moved the book from the table to the floor, you've used up the difference in potential energy. To use it again, you have to give back the energy you gained to lift the book back up to where it started. In this way, gravitational energy is conserved.

So gravity itself is not and cannot be a continuous/perpetual power source any more than a spring or a battery can be a continuous/perpetual power source. Power plants that use differences in gravitational potential energy - ie, hydroelectric dams - are not really powered by gravity, they are powered by something else, typically the sun.

Note: ray_b's example of tidal power isn't even truly gravity power: While tidal power uses the tides as a driver, the energy really comes from slowing down the Earth's rotation.
 
Mirza90 said:
In the world we live in, we can convert and use energy in the form of radiation and turn it into a significant power source. Gravitatoinal energy, which exists throughout the whole universe could be used someday as a power source. Think of it. A power source abundant throughtout the universe.

I need some feed back if I'm just spit balling or any helpful research would be greatly appriciated.
Well, the fundamental thing that needs to be understood for making use of energy is thermodynamics: whenever the entropy of a system increases, it is possible to extract some energy out of that system to do directed work. Naturally, gravitational systems offer the capacity to help in this regard. The primary problem is that we will probably have to move outside our own solar system to use a gravitational system in this fashion.

One pipe dream, for example, is making use of a black hole: if you drop matter into a spinning black hole, a portion of that matter is shot at very close to the speed of light out the poles of the black hole. Imagine the uses: a society that lives around a black hole might dump their waste products into the black hole, and extract energy from the high-velocity stream of subatomic particles that results. And the energy in that stream is nearly equivalent to the mass-energy of the matter that was dropped into the black hole!

Of course, it won't last forever. The matter that is dropped in takes away from the angular momentum of the black hole. Eventually it will stop spinning, and no more useful energy can be extracted.
 

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