Have you ever wondered about the connection between airbag physics and Calculus?

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The discussion revolves around the physics and calculus concepts related to auto airbag deployment, exploring the mechanisms and algorithms involved in detecting crashes and triggering airbags. Participants inquire about the underlying principles and seek resources for deeper understanding.

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  • One participant questions the basic concepts and calculus behind airbag deployment, suggesting that the ECU monitors sudden changes in velocity and acceleration.
  • Another participant proposes that the airbag system may operate similarly to a pendulum system, referencing a compression-bumper-strut connection.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the timing of car crashes and the airbag deployment process, emphasizing the role of the ACU and its algorithms in decision-making.
  • Participants discuss how the ACU calculates acceleration based on speed data points and suggest that the airbag may be triggered when negative acceleration exceeds a certain threshold.
  • There is a mention of the MEMS accelerometer as the sensor used in airbags, which detects rapid deceleration through changes in capacitance.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about specific details, such as the exact workings of the algorithm and the role of vehicle speed in airbag deployment.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and assumptions about the mechanisms of airbag deployment, with no clear consensus on the specifics of the algorithms or the role of different sensors.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the algorithms and the definitions of terms like acceleration and deceleration. Some mathematical steps in the calculations are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying physics, engineering, or automotive safety, as well as those curious about the application of calculus in real-world systems.

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Today, I am an adult who is re-learning some Calculus. But, I ask a lot of questions about anything and everything.

Has anyone ever explored the concepts and/or Calculus/Physics behind auto airbag deployment? Computer feeds real time velocity points and the ECU is monitoring for a sudden drop in rate of change / sudden spike in negative acceleration?

What is the basic idea at work?
Got any links that would drive the concept home?
 
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I'm not sure, but I assume that it's based upon a pendulum system the same as a seat-belt locking reel, with possibly a compression-bumper-strut connection as well. I'll snoop around some to see what's out there. I recommend that you do some serious Googling yourself, though. The info should be readily available.
 
Car crash finish in 80 ms. in time 30 ms, head impact to steering. for explosion of airbag roughly we need 10~15 ms (for full filled)
so we have something about 15 ms (golden time) to decide for firing or not.
there is a ACU in car, with acceleration sensor in different direction(for detecting front crash, rolling,..)
when you start car, ACU turn on and start for data sampling and calculating. there is some algorithm inside of ACU software that decide for firing or not.
this software is modified by some coefficient which we adjust them trough airbag development process and test.
this test are full front crash with rigid barrier, rolling, deer test, mis use test,...
 
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Danger said:
I'm not sure, but I assume that it's based upon a pendulum system the same as a seat-belt locking reel, with possibly a compression-bumper-strut connection as well. I'll snoop around some to see what's out there. I recommend that you do some serious Googling yourself, though. The info should be readily available.

Pretty sure it's not a sensor in the bumper, but a computer algorithm that monitors speed.

mmeftahpour said:
Car crash finish in 80 ms. in time 30 ms, head impact to steering. for explosion of airbag roughly we need 10~15 ms (for full filled)
so we have something about 15 ms (golden time) to decide for firing or not.
there is a ACU in car, with acceleration sensor in different direction(for detecting front crash, rolling,..)
when you start car, ACU turn on and start for data sampling and calculating. there is some algorithm inside of ACU software that decide for firing or not.
this software is modified by some coefficient which we adjust them trough airbag development process and test.
this test are full front crash with rigid barrier, rolling, deer test, mis use test,...

This sounds right.
Is there any way to describe what the algorithm is looking for?
ACU is fed constant speed values from speedometer.
ACU can calculate acceleration based on time elapsed b/w 2 speed data points.

eg: v(t) values
VELOCITY
t=0 (milliseconds), s=55 (mph)
t=5 (milliseconds), s=60 (mph)
t=10 (milliseconds), s=70 (mph)
t=15 (milliseconds), s=50 (mph)
t=20 (milliseconds), s=0 (mph) <== Has hit into wall and stopped suddenly

ACCELERATION
Let's calculate some rate of change of velocity using deltaY/deltaX:
60-55 / 5-0 = 5/5 = 1 mph
70-60 / 10-5 = 10/5 = 2 mph
50-70 / 15-10 = -20/5 = -4 mph
0-50 / 20-15 = -50/5 = -10 mph

During some interval, maybe the airbag is triggered once the acceleration exceed some negative threshold ?
 
RipVanCalcNoob said:
it's not a sensor in the bumper
Yeah. I thought that I remembered seeing something like that, but I realize now that it was a shock-absorber system.
 
Anyone care to verify my basic thought process?
 
please see attachment.
 

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RipVanCalcNoob said:
Today, I am an adult who is re-learning some Calculus. But, I ask a lot of questions about anything and everything.

Has anyone ever explored the concepts and/or Calculus/Physics behind auto airbag deployment? Computer feeds real time velocity points and the ECU is monitoring for a sudden drop in rate of change / sudden spike in negative acceleration?

What is the basic idea at work?
Got any links that would drive the concept home?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbags

:-)
 
berkeman said:

Nothing mathematical there, but did mention about the concept of deceleration.

Because airbag sensors measure deceleration, vehicle speed is not a good indicator of whether an airbag should have deployed. Airbags can deploy due to the vehicle's undercarriage striking a low object protruding above the roadway due to the resulting deceleration.

The airbag sensor is a MEMS accelerometer, which is a small integrated circuit with integrated micro mechanical elements. The microscopic mechanical element moves in response to rapid deceleration, and this motion causes a change in capacitance, which is detected by the electronics on the chip that then sends a signal to fire the airbag.
 
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mmeftahpour, thanks for the Word doc. That also has a small description of the acceleration data.
 

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