Health is Key: Better than Happiness

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the value of health versus happiness, exploring whether health has intrinsic value compared to happiness, which some participants argue is the ultimate goal. The conversation includes philosophical perspectives on the nature of happiness, health, and their interrelation, as well as considerations of evolutionary fitness.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that health is more valuable than happiness, suggesting that happiness is only a means to achieve health or a byproduct of it.
  • Others contend that happiness, and the absence of suffering, hold intrinsic value, while health is merely a facilitator of happiness.
  • A viewpoint is presented that happiness derived from unhealthy means, such as drug use, is undesirable and that true happiness should come from healthy living.
  • Some participants propose that health is essential for success and effectiveness, framing it as a measure of how well an organism performs its functions.
  • There is a discussion about the evolutionary purpose of happiness, with some suggesting it promotes behaviors that enhance evolutionary fitness, while others question attributing purpose to evolution itself.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of valuing health over happiness, particularly regarding the nature of moral worth and the goals of human actions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the intrinsic value of health versus happiness, with no consensus reached. The discussion remains unresolved as various perspectives are presented without agreement on the fundamental question.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference evolutionary fitness and moral worth in relation to happiness and health, but these concepts are not fully defined or agreed upon, leaving room for interpretation and further exploration.

  • #31
If you had a wallet-sized machine that would short circuit someone's brain in an instant so that they became deliriously happy for the rest of their lives and for other purposes a human vegetable, would you run around using it on people? Assume that for the limited number of people you'd be able to zap, society would provide for them.

Would you murder chronically depressed people who nonetheless didn't want to die?
 
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  • #32
I would not want to force my will on someone like that. There is danger when one believes that one is indubitably correct and has the right to force his/her will upon others as one sees fit. That is tyranny, and tyranny has always led to problems. For example, the pleasure center that is being stimulated in your hypothetical situation could become less responsive over time, and the person could become "bored", if you will, with that type of experience, leading to a boring vegetative state.

Also, I have an irrational desire to do things more cognitively complex than sit in a drug-like stupor. I would have trouble reducing others' cognitive capabilities, knowing that I would not want this done to myself, however irrational my desire is.
 
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  • #33
No, assume the device is perfect and does what it is designed to do, and then answer the question.

Why do you call your desire to do cognitively complex things irrational, and your desire for happiness rational? The only reason you gave for happiness is that it "feels right." If other things feel right aside from happiness, why do you not apply the same reason?
 

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