Heat Conduction through Carbon Steel Pipe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the distance along a carbon steel pipe required for the temperature to decrease from 1500°C to 790°C, considering both conductive and convective heat transfer. Participants explore different methods and assumptions related to heat transfer in this context, including the impact of insulation on the pipe.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem of heat conduction through the pipe and questions the effect of insulation on the temperature profile.
  • Another participant suggests breaking the pipe into short lengths to analyze heat transfer independently, mentioning the interplay between convective heat loss and thermal conduction.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the method of analyzing short lengths of the pipe, asking for the specific equations and theories used in this approach.
  • Another participant confirms familiarity with heat transfer calculations and expresses confusion regarding the assumptions necessary for applying the equations for conduction and convection to determine the distance between two temperatures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the method to calculate the distance or the assumptions required. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented, indicating ongoing exploration and uncertainty in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific equations related to heat transfer, such as q=-K(dT/dx) for conduction and q=hA(T1-T2) for convection, but do not resolve how to apply these equations to the problem at hand. Assumptions regarding the system's conditions and parameters remain unspecified.

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I am not sure how to approach this problem. If you have a carbon steel pipe that is being heated on one end at a constant temperature of 1500C. Can you figure out how much distance in pipe will it require before it cools to 790C? The thermal conductivity of Carbon steel is 54 W/mk. Another situation is what if there is insulations on top of the carbon steel, what will happen in that situation. I am pretty sure with insulation the length of the pipe will increase to reaches 790C.
 
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Hi fujifilm. The way I've done this in the past is to break up the pipe into short lengths and analyze each short length independently. There's convective heat transfer removing heat from the pipe and thermal conduction along the length. As heat is removed from convection, the pipe gets cooler. But the cooler it gets per unit length, the higher the thermal conduction. So there's an equilibrium between the two you're searching for.

Try setting up a spreadsheet where each row does the calculations for a very short section of pipe. Every row will be identical, and will be hinged on the previous row. Hope that makes sense.
 
I was wondering what do you mean break up the pipe into short length and analyze each short length mean? I was wondering what method did you use as in terms of equations and theory involved.
 
fujifilm6502002 said:
I was wondering what do you mean break up the pipe into short length and analyze each short length mean? I was wondering what method did you use as in terms of equations and theory involved.
Are you familiar with how to calculate heat transfer due to convection and conduction?
 
I am familiar with with heat transfer calculations by conduction and convection. I guess my confusion is to the assumption that should be made. In this problem I understand that the amount of energy transfer through the pipe using conduction is related to this equation where q=-K(dT/dx) and the equation for convection is q=hA(T1-T2). How can i apply these equations to calculate distance between two temperatures?
 

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