Heat produced when a dielectric is inserted into a capacitor slowly

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the heat produced when a dielectric slab is inserted into a charged capacitor while it remains connected to a battery. Participants explore the implications of this process under different assumptions, particularly focusing on the role of the battery's internal resistance and the resulting energy changes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that inserting a dielectric into a charged capacitor while connected to a battery will result in heat production due to the work done by the battery and the increase in potential energy of the capacitor.
  • Another participant notes that real batteries have finite internal resistance, suggesting this could affect the heat produced during the process.
  • A later reply considers the scenario of an ideal battery with no internal resistance, suggesting that in this case, the heat produced would be zero, as the battery would only provide the extra energy needed for the additional charge.
  • Another participant agrees with the idea that an ideal battery would not produce heat, indicating that it would simply supply extra energy for the added charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of battery resistance on heat production, with some suggesting that real batteries will produce heat while others argue that an ideal battery would not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact conditions under which heat is produced.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the implications of finite internal resistance in batteries, nor have they reached a consensus on the conditions that lead to heat production in this scenario.

aryan pandey
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if a capacitor is connected to a battery and then it is fully charged . then a dielectric slab of k is inserted in the capacitor while the battery is still connected SLOWLY
my question is will there be any heat produced??

my approach -- after insertion of dielectric , the charge on the capacitor increases so battery must do work and a result current must flow. so heat produced = energy produced by cell - increase in potential energy in capacitor.

my clarify **
 
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aryan pandey said:
if a capacitor is connected to a battery and then it is fully charged . then a dielectric slab of k is inserted in the capacitor while the battery is still connected SLOWLY
my question is will there be any heat produced??

my approach -- after insertion of dielectric , the charge on the capacitor increases so battery must do work and a result current must flow. so heat produced = energy produced by cell - increase in potential energy in capacitor.

my clarify **
Looks reasonable. But remember that real batteries have finite source resistance values. How does that affect your answer?
 
if i consider an ideal battery of no internal resistance then the heat will be zero
right??
 
aryan pandey said:
if i consider an ideal battery of no internal resistance then the heat will be zero
right??
I guess so. It would just take extra energy from the battery to add the extra charge.
 

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