1. Dec 27, 2008

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus

http://www.heatsurgetv.com/

http://www.heatsurge.com/images/cherry-07.jpg [Broken]
http://www.heatsurge.com/

The problem? These sell for up to $587.00 but are just a 1500 watt electric heater plus the fancy "Amish-made" cabinet. A 1500 watt electric heater like this sells at Walmart for less than$14.00

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7768641

Note that the Heat Surge cited maximum of 5110 BTUs, is just 1498 watts.

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2. Dec 29, 2008

### Proton Soup

the first one looks warmer. and it's pretty.

the targeted consumer is probably shut-ins/elderly. :|

3. Dec 29, 2008

### Denton

No one knows more about electric devices than the Amish.

4. Dec 29, 2008

### ChrisPugh

Heat Surge is an established company with millions of satisfied customers whose focus is to exceed customer expectations.

To accomplish this, along with other successful methods, we’ve set up a Web site to share the facts about our company at http://heatsurge.wordpress.com to address any questions or concerns you may have.

Chris Pugh
Heat Surge

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5. Dec 29, 2008

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus

True or false: You can get the same amount of heat from a $15 electric heater from Walmart? 6. Dec 29, 2008 ### mgb_phys Re: Heat Surge "Amish-made" fireplace Yes, but this one does also raise barns for you Last edited: Dec 29, 2008 7. Dec 29, 2008 ### FredGarvin Re: Heat Surge "Amish-made" fireplace Looks like you hooked a troll Ivan. Wooow. 5000 BTU's? That's a lot of BTUs.......isn't it? That a lot of thousands of BTU thingies. Taking advantage of the general public's stupidity is obviously a viable business practice still. This goes right up there with marketing 2 HP shop vacs for 110V use. If I were dead set on giving there web site a hit, I'd love to see what the cabinets are made out of. Do the Amish raise particle board barns now a days? 8. Dec 29, 2008 ### Greg Bernhardt ### Staff: Admin Re: Heat Surge "Amish-made" fireplace The video on the website is just flat out ridiculous. 9. Dec 29, 2008 ### Math Is Hard Staff Emeritus Re: Heat Surge "Amish-made" fireplace I was just about to say I liked it. I feel old. :rofl: 10. Dec 29, 2008 ### turbo Re: Heat Surge "Amish-made" fireplace I won't even bother checking the web-site. I've seen their print ads and they are just a bunch of scammers, fleecing the ignorant. In our area, electricity is by far the most expensive way to heat a house and the climate is such that 5000 BTU would be like throwing a hot-dog to a hungry lion. Edit: How do you get a "heat surge" out of a cheap 5000 btu resistive heater? The name itself is ridiculous. 11. Dec 29, 2008 ### Evo ### Staff: Mentor Re: Heat Surge "Amish-made" fireplace I had one like this for the bathroom at my old house. It was from Home Depot. It was basically decorative, but it's also a space heater. #### Attached Files: • ###### elec fireplace.jpg File size: 34.5 KB Views: 67 12. Dec 29, 2008 ### turbo Re: Heat Surge "Amish-made" fireplace I could get more heat by dragging out my tube amp and playing guitar for a while. All those tubes throw a bit of heat. I used to own a Peavey Classic 30 that got really hot - like the old Vox amps, it was a single-ended design that was dissipating power at max even when it was idling. At least I would be getting the side-benefit of guitar practice. 13. Dec 29, 2008 ### russ_watters ### Staff: Mentor Re: Heat Surge "Amish-made" fireplace Cheezy marketing for sure, but spot heating most certainly does save energy. With the price, though, buying it for looks is the better bet. 14. Dec 29, 2008 ### Ivan Seeking Staff Emeritus Re: Heat Surge "Amish-made" fireplace It might be fair to sell it as a decorative item, but zone heating can be accomplished using any 1500 watt [electric] heater. If the intent is to save money, the last thing one needs is a fancy$200-\$500+ cabinet enclosing an otherwise cheap heater.

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15. Dec 29, 2008

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus

These rating are often obtained by increasing the voltage to the motor until the point that it self-destructs. The power rating is obtained just before it bursts into flames, or smokes. That is the "peak HP".

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16. Dec 29, 2008

### mgb_phys

I just bought a 300W UPS that is also labeled 650VA

17. Dec 29, 2008

### turbo

Wow! Isn't the 2-gauge power cable a bit stiff?

18. Dec 29, 2008

### mgb_phys

I was mainly wondering what shape the sine wave output would have to be for that to add up.

19. Dec 29, 2008

### turbo

I don't need no steenkin' heat surge. I'll just plug in my wife's hair dryer and point it at my feet to warm up.

20. Dec 29, 2008

### Phrak

We can guess...

300W should be the output rating (why not in VA?). 650VA could be the peak VA requirements during line drop-out conditions.

I can't wait for summer when I can by my Amish Frost Bite richy appointed in shimmering icicles.

21. Dec 29, 2008

### Staff: Mentor

I must be missing something here. 2 HP is 1660 W, assuming a 90% efficient motor (and assuming that a 2hp motor actually provides 2 HP when attached to a vacuum cleaner - there is no reason to expect that it must). That's easily within the range of a household circuit.

22. Dec 29, 2008

### Staff: Mentor

Hmm - that seems pretty common. Wonder what tha's about.

23. Dec 29, 2008

### mgb_phys

(1660W/0.9)/110V = 16.75A aren't 110V circuits 15A in the US?

24. Dec 29, 2008

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus

Not only that, many so called 2 HP vacs are only rated at 6-10 amps, at 110VAC. [I did time in a vacuum store while in college].

I think I've seen the 2HP Peak rating on motors that use as little as 4.5 amps, at 110VAC.

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