Heat transfer, how long it takes ice to reach melting point

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a heat transfer problem involving a 0.25 kg piece of ice initially at -30°C, which is being warmed by an electric heater. Participants are tasked with determining the power output of the heater, the time required to reach the melting point of 0°C, the time to completely melt the ice, and creating a corresponding graph.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculations related to energy transfer, power output, and time estimates for heating and melting the ice. There are inquiries about the accuracy of the latent heat of fusion value used and whether to include initial heating time in total time calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on calculations and suggested adjustments to rounding and significant figures. There is an ongoing exploration of how to accurately represent the total time for the process, with multiple interpretations being considered.

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Participants are working within the constraints of provided data and assumptions about energy loss, and there is a focus on ensuring proper citation of sources for values used in calculations.

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Homework Statement


A 0.25 kg piece of ice at -30 C is warmed by an electric heater and the following graph of temperature is produced. Assume that there has been no loss of energy to the surroundings.
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- Use the info on the graph to determine the power output of the heater
- Explain how long it will take to get the ice to the melting point of 0 C
- Explain how long it will take to melt completely once the ice reaches 0 C
- Create a graph like the one above for when the ice starts melting and then complete it, up to this point

Homework Equations


Q = micecicetice
E=Q
P=Q/t
t=Q/P

The Attempt at a Solution


First calculating the energy:
Q = mct = 0.25 kg x (2.1 x 103 J) x (-30 C - 10 C) = 10, 500 J
Then the power:
P = Q/t = 10, 500J / 150s = 70 W

Now to to find out how long it takes the ice to get to the melting point:
Q = mct = 0.25 kg x (2.1 x 103J) x (-10 C - 0 C) = 5250 J
t = Q/P = 5250 / 70 = 75s

How long it will take the ice to melt completely once it reaches 0 C:
Q = mLf = 0.25 kg x (3.3 x 105) = 82 500 J
t = Q/P = 82500 / 70 = 1180s approximately

Then, 1180s + 75s = 1255s
This is the approximate time it will take the ice to go from -10 C to 0 C, and then completely melt.

The graph:
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Have I done everything correctly? Any confirmation and/or help is greatly appreciated.
 

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Humbleness said:
Have I done everything correctly?
I believe the latent heat of fusion of ice is more like 3.34x105Jkg-1. If you round it off to two sig figs then you need to quote fewer in your answer.

Don't you need to include the initial 150s in deciding the end point of the graph?

Other than that, looks fine.
 
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haruspex said:
Don't you need to include the initial 150s in deciding the end point of the graph?

Makes sense, as the question stated from when the ice starts melting...
That would lead to 1255s + 150s = 1405s
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Does this look better?
 

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Humbleness said:
Makes sense, as the question stated from when the ice starts melting...
That would lead to 1255s + 150s = 1405s
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Does this look better?
Yes, but as I posted you should either round it off to 1400s or use a more accurate value for the latent heat of fusion (which I think will make it nearly 1420s).
 
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Understood, even though I was following this table in my textbook:
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However, I have calculated again using your advice, and rounded up to exactly 1418s in my calculations. I don't think the teacher marking will expect me to know of 3.34 x 105
May I ask from where did you find that info? I could possibly cite the source and write it down with these new calculations, as a justification for my response.
 

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Humbleness said:
Understood, even though I was following this table in my textbook:
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However, I have calculated again using your advice, and rounded up to exactly 1418s in my calculations. I don't think the teacher marking will expect me to know of 3.34 x 105
May I ask from where did you find that info? I could possibly cite the source and write it down with these new calculations, as a justification for my response.
If you are given 3.3 then use that, but it is not given to you as 3.30, so you should only quote two sig figs in the answer: 1400s.
 
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Which is exactly what I ended up doing. Thank you so much for your help. :smile:
 

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