Heat transfer into constant temp sink

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The discussion revolves around modeling heat transfer in a metal sheet with specific heat sink spots maintained at a constant temperature of 100K. The sheet starts at room temperature (300K) and loses heat over time to reach the sink temperature. Participants explore equations to describe the conduction process and the challenges posed by the complexity of the model.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a simplified model involving a metal sheet with heat sink spots at 100K, seeking an equation to describe heat conduction as the sheet cools from 300K.
  • Another participant notes the difficulty of solving for heat transfer in multidimensional scenarios with multiple heat sinks, suggesting a simplification to a one-dimensional model for easier analysis.
  • A participant points out that the initial equation lacks a time component, indicating the need for an unsteady state equation that incorporates heat generation terms.
  • Another participant agrees that the initial equation is incomplete for the unsteady situation and clarifies that the heat generation term is zero in this specific case.
  • One suggestion is made to run a simulation and use MATLAB for data analysis and curve fitting, although uncertainty remains about exporting data from the simulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate equations for the problem, with some acknowledging the complexity of the situation and the need for adjustments to the model. There is no consensus on a definitive equation or approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of the initial equations, particularly regarding their applicability to unsteady state conditions and the absence of time-dependent terms. The discussion reflects the challenges of modeling heat transfer in a non-linear, multidimensional context.

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I have a simplified model (see attached picture) which is part of a bigger model but for now the problem is as follows.
I have a electropolished metal sheet which has spots on it which act as heat sinks because they are kept at constant temperature of 100K. The sheet is at room temperature initially (300K) and will loose heat to the white spots to get to 100K over time. I need to come up with some equation which can describe how heat will flow by conduction through the sheet.
I know it's very easy in COMSOL, and in the COMSOL solution, the areas near the white spots will be blueish (indicating low temp) and away from the white spot will be reddish.
Basically, i need to come up with an equation that shows the Comsol's solution.
 

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Gosh, I know the equations for a 1-dimensional heat sink (like down the length of and object). But once you get into anything above 1-dimensional temperature variations, especially with multiple heat sink spots, the governing equations blow up on you and a lot of times go into the non-linear state (very bad for solving on paper). If this is for a project and you absolutely need to know the correct equations, then I would suggest changing the problem a bit by simplifying it. You could make a sink somewhere in the middle and have it be all along a vertical or horizontal line; that would make it a 1-dimensional problem if you were to look at it from on of the sides. I hope that this helps...though it's not what you were looking for.
 
here it is
 

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Hey ang_gl ,
That equation might not work. It doesn't have the time component in it. I know the equation that will be used but am not sure how to implement it. It is the equation you wrote +having q"'/k on LHS equated with (1/alpha)(dT/dt) on the RHS, where q"' is the rate of internal energy conversion (heat generation)
 
Yea, the equation isn't complete. It applies for the case of steady state conduction with no heat generation. I didn't read carefully, "to get to 100K over time", so its an unsteady situation. Yes you are right about the term on right, but heat generation term is zero in the case described.
 
maybe after running the simulation you can use the line graph along the plate and export the data to matlab... then use curve fitting? I am not sure if you would be able to export the points on the graph tho.
 

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