Heating 800 watts nichrome wire with a battery.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the feasibility and safety of heating an 800-watt nichrome wire using direct current (DC) from a battery. Participants explore various aspects including setup, safety concerns, and the underlying physics of the wire's operation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Safety concerns

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the necessity of a car battery to heat the nichrome wire and suggests using diodes instead.
  • Another participant warns about the dangers of electrocution from wall plugs and the risk of battery explosions.
  • Some participants question the purpose of needing 800 watts of heat, suggesting it seems excessive for typical applications.
  • A participant clarifies their intent to measure the temperature produced by the nichrome wire rather than to heat something else.
  • Discussion includes the importance of knowing the wire's resistance and the voltage required to achieve 800 watts.
  • One participant suggests using a factory-made heating element for safety reasons, comparing it to a simple electric toaster.
  • Another participant mentions that a lower wattage, such as 24 watts, could be sufficient for lab experiments and safer to handle.
  • Technical formulas related to power and resistivity are shared, indicating how to calculate necessary parameters for the nichrome wire.
  • Concerns are raised about the appropriateness of discussing dangerous topics in the forum, with some suggesting the thread should be locked.
  • Participants express skepticism about the original poster's understanding of the risks involved, with some suggesting they lack the necessary knowledge for safe experimentation.
  • It is noted that the temperature of the nichrome wire depends on various factors, including the surrounding environment and the voltage applied.
  • One participant emphasizes that the wire's rated wattage does not guarantee safety and warns against exceeding it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express concern about the safety of the proposed setup and the original poster's understanding of the risks. There is no consensus on the best approach to safely heat the nichrome wire, with multiple competing views on the necessity of the wattage and the safety of different methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the original poster's understanding of basic electronics and safety protocols. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the wire's properties and the implications of using different voltages.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the practical applications of nichrome wire heating, safety considerations in electrical experiments, and the physics of resistance and power calculations.

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hi guys.. I'm new here and this is my first post.. my friends told me that the title of this post is impossible and i need a car battery to heat the 800W nichrome wire, and i believe them.. they also said that AC will solve the problem.. but i need to use DC so i came up with using diodes.. the problem is the setup.. I'm not familiar on how to connect those stuffs so anyone here who have a heart to help a dumb like me.. just a simple diagram using a 800 watts nichrome wire, a plug, and diodes.. I'm afraid i might create a bomb so please do help me.. thank you in advance..
 
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Yes the wall plug can electrocute you.

A car battey can explode which will spray battery acid in your face.

A red hot nichrome wire near upholstery or plastic underhood parts can start a fire,

what is it you are trying to accomplish? Maybe someone can help.
 
What do you need 800W of hot wire for? Sounds a bit 'industrial'.
 
i just want to heat the nichrome wire using direct current to compute the temperature it can produce and not to heat something.. my problem is a safe setup of heating the 800watts nihrome wire using DC..
 
totoykabute said:
i just want to heat the nichrome wire using direct current to compute the temperature it can produce and not to heat something.. my problem is a safe setup of heating the 800watts nihrome wire using DC..

The wattage developed by your wire will depend upon the voltage applied. At what voltage does it generate 800W? What you really need to know is the resistance of the wire. Given that we could tell you more.
 
totoykabute said:
to heat the 800W nichrome wire,
Why not buy a factory-made one which is connected up and ready to go? That way you don't need to risk safety with dodgy wiring. It's a simple electric toaster. :biggrin:
 
For a lab experiment you can get excellent results with 24W from a 12V source. Easier and safer. 1kg of water is about right.

if you just want to get the wire hot then you really don't want to have a damned great lethal coil of red hot wire to deal with. Do it with a short length and a low voltage (C cell), briefly. How would you plan to measure the temperature? In air it should get red hot - what temperature would that represent?
 
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power: P = V*V/R
resistivity: p = R*A/L

measure your wire's diameter, and look up it's resistivity, and you'll be set

also, doesn't PF not deal with dangerous topics? shouldn't this topic be locked?
 
jehan60188 said:
also, doesn't PF not deal with dangerous topics? shouldn't this topic be locked?

I'm inclined to agree with you. (Do as I say, not as I did?)
 
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it's not a matter of "do as I say not as i did" so much as "do it the right way"
there is a right way for amateurs to experiment with high voltage, high temperature, highly acidic compounds, etc. they first need to do research- in books!
a forum is NOT the place to learn things; the internet barely is.
 
  • #11
You are right of course. You certainly can't believe what you see with experiments on YouTube and any idiot could be giving advice in a forum.

(I'm glad that you were so well behaved in your youth. Wot, not a single scar?)
 
  • #12
thanks for the replies..
@Integral- i bought the nichrome wire with its wattage already set..
@sophiecentaur- i can't find a 24W nichrome wire.. suppose i cut the 800W nichrome wire, will that reduce the wattage?..
 
  • #13
Is this a roll of uninsulated wire? How many metres long? Can you unwind a few metres and determine its resistance/metre? If not, why not? :smile:
 
  • #14
I think he understands so little about this that it is clearly dangerous for him to continue with it. He appears not to have a clue. Steer clear.
 
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There is no fixed value of 'temperature' given the specification of a "800W Nichrome wire". A stable temperature is achieved once power in (800W, assuming you set the voltage correctly) equals power out (heat flow). So, the answer depends on what is surrounding the wire (vacuum, still air, flowing air, copper tube, etc. etc.) and their steady state temperatures. The hottest would be in a vacuum, where the wire will turn red to white hot before it melts. In still air, red hot is likely to be the upper limit. As noted, this can be dangerous, and your lack of knowledge of basic electronics has people concerned for your safety. Just because the wire says '800W' does not mean that is the limit of the wire. Choosing the wrong voltage could exceed this greatly. Note also that the resistance of Nichrome varies with its temperature (like all metals), but you can search for this variation on the web. Do not assume a measured resistance at room temp is going to be the same when its red hot.
 
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totoykabute said:
thanks for the replies..
@Integral- i bought the nichrome wire with its wattage already set..
This is maximal value, the actual value depends on your setup.

You clearly do not have the required knowledge to do this safely. We won't help you to kill yourself here.
 

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