Height of a projectile at two points?

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The problem involves analyzing the height of a projectile at two points above the horizontal, specifically when the projectile is fired at a velocity that allows it to reach maximum range. The original poster presents equations related to projectile motion and attempts to derive a relationship for the separation of the two points at the same height.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to substitute values into the projectile motion equations to find the times at which the projectile reaches height h. They express uncertainty about their method and whether they are making an algebraic error. Other participants question the logic behind their manipulations and suggest using dimensional analysis to identify mistakes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach. Some guidance has been offered regarding potential algebraic errors, and there is an exploration of the assumptions made in the calculations. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the method being used.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and the equations provided, with some questioning the validity of certain algebraic manipulations. The original poster expresses confusion about the relationship between time and height in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A projectile is fired with a velocity v such that it passes through two points both at a distance h above the horizontal. Show that if the gun is adjusted for maximum range, the separation of the points is

d = (v/g)(√v2-4gh)

Homework Equations


y = -gt2/2 + vsinθt
x = vcosθt

for max range R = v2/g
θ = π/4

The Attempt at a Solution


substituting theta into the two equations gives me
h = -gt2/2 + vt/√2

d = (v/√2)t

I replaced y with h to find the two times at which the ball is at h (both going up and down), then I used those times I found in the d equation to find the distance at both points at both times, and then took the difference between "d1" and "d2" where d2 is the point after max height and d1 is the point before. Is this not the right method? I get that t = h and t = stuff from the h equation... and t = h is obviously not true. Is that the issue?
 
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Vitani11 said:
Is this not the right method?
Looks right.
Vitani11 said:
I get that t = h
Then you are making an algebraic error. You can use dimensional analysis to see where it goes wrong. If you cannot spot it, please post all your working.
 
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h = -gt2/2 + vt/√2 to begin. I pull a t out and it becomes h = t(-gt/2+v/√2) so h = t and -gt/2+v/√2 = h

:/
 
Vitani11 said:
h = t(-gt/2+v/√2) so h = t
By what logic?
 
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Vitani11 said:
h = -gt2/2 + vt/√2 to begin. I pull a t out and it becomes h = t(-gt/2+v/√2) so h = t and -gt/2+v/√2 = h

:/
That looks suspiciously like what you would do if you were trying to find the zeros of an equation. i.e. t(-gt/2+v/√2) = 0 so t = 0 or
(-gt/2+v/√2) =0. That isn't at all correct for h.
 
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Finished. Thank you.
 

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