# Homework Help: Heisenberg momentum uncertainty

1. Oct 8, 2014

### leehufford

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
An electron is trapped in a one-dimensional well of width 0.132 nm. The electron is in the n = 10 state.
a) What is the energy of the electron?
b) What is the uncertainty in the momentum?
c) What is the uncertainty in the position?

2. Relevant equations
En = h2n2/8mL2
Delta(x)Delta(p) > hbar/2

3. The attempt at a solution
The answers to this problem are in the back of our book, I got 2,160 eV for A, which was correct.
The book gave us a hint for part B: use Delta(x)Delta(p) > hbar/2, but here I have one equation with two unknowns. (I tried using 0.132 nm as delta(x) but that didn't give the right answer. Also, why would they ask for delta(x) in part C if it was given... so

I tried finding the momentum using

p = (1/c)sqrt(E2-(mc2)2). And my answer for momentum is the same as the book's answer for the uncertainty in momentum. I guess I can't see how to relate delta(p) to p. Also, why doesn't the length that the electron is trapped in count for delta(x)? Thanks for reading,

Lee

2. Oct 8, 2014

### td21

Hi!
Uncertainity (S.D.) in momentum and position can be found from the square root of the expectation value of the (p - pbar)^2 and (x-xbar)^2, respectively. Note that pbar is zero and xbar is a/2 in 1 dimensional infinite square well.
Yes, it happens that the S.D. of momentum is equal to momentum in this case. Can you guess the reason behind?

3. Oct 8, 2014

### leehufford

I'm not 100% clear on what you mean.. I've never actually taken a statistics class yet. The formula my book uses is

delta p = sqrt((p2)avg - (pav)2). If the average momentum is zero, and the formula reduces to:

sqrt(p2)avg, would I just use the momentum I found with relativistic dynamics...and that's why the standard deviation is the same as the momentum value? What does that mean physically? Thanks for the reply.

Lee

4. Oct 9, 2014

### leehufford

Just noticed I got moved, I didn't think homework problems from a modern physics class where considered introductory physics, but I guess I will post all of my questions here from now on. Sorry about that.

5. Oct 9, 2014

### BvU

Never mind the moving to introductory. Perhaps they'll move it back once this is indeed about relativistic QM (it's not, I should think)..

We're more used to writing $p=i\hbar {\partial \over \partial x}$ in simple QM, where E=p2/(2m) if V=0. Same difference. But <p> = 0 for sure.

$\Delta p\Delta x \ge \hbar/2$ is not an equation but something else (an inequality). Why they provide it as a hint is a mystery to me (at n=10 it's a lot more than $\hbar/2$).

If your potential well is from 0 to L, I expect <x> to come out L/2 too.... Look up the wave function and check. Then do <x2>. You will find that $\Delta x \propto L$, so L does count!