Helicopter aerodynamics: advancing blades & retreating blades

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The discussion revolves around the aerodynamics of helicopter blades, specifically the dynamics of advancing and retreating blades during forward flight. Participants explore the implications of blade rotation, lift generation, and potential aerodynamic challenges faced by helicopters in various flight conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the mechanics of why retreating blades travel backwards and what would occur if they moved forward like advancing blades.
  • Another participant explains that advancing blades experience increased airspeed due to the helicopter's forward motion, while retreating blades experience reduced airspeed, necessitating adjustments in the angle of attack for stability.
  • A different participant raises concerns about the potential for retreating blades to stall at higher airspeeds, limiting the helicopter's ability to accelerate and suggesting that reverse airflow is unlikely during normal flight conditions.
  • This participant also speculates that reverse airflow could occur under specific conditions, such as a helicopter on the ground in a strong headwind, and discusses the lift characteristics of symmetric versus cambered airfoils in reverse airflow scenarios.
  • Another participant notes that cambered airfoils create a downwards pitching torque, which could increase strain on the rotor hub, leading to a preference for symmetrical rotor designs in helicopters.
  • It is mentioned that cyclic pitch changes occur as blades rotate, and the pilot must compensate for increased speed with pitch adjustments due to the gyroscopic effects of rotor torque.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanics of helicopter blade aerodynamics, with no clear consensus on the implications of reverse airflow or the optimal design of rotor blades. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effects of retreating blades and the conditions under which reverse airflow might occur.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to assumptions about airflow conditions, the mechanical design of rotor blades, and the specific flight scenarios being considered. There are unresolved questions about the effects of reverse airflow and the operational limits of helicopter blades.

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Why does a helicopter blades operates in an advancing direction while the other, the retreating blades travels backwards? That is, what would happen to the helicopter if the retreating blades were to travel forward like their advancing blades counterparts?
 
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The blades are airfoils that generate lift. The blades are balanced and rotate together in the same direction. When hovering all blades have the same airspeed and lift.

When traveling forwards, the helicopter velocity is added to the blade rotation velocity on one side, while being subtracted from the blade velocity on the other side.

The airspeed and lift from the two sides is therefore different, so the blade angle of attack must be adjusted as they rotate to keep the helicopter stable.
 
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I am not entirely sure what kind of answer you are looking for.

Assuming the helicopter in normal flight accelerates to increase forward airspeed, then at some airspeed the retreating blades may get into a stall[1] effectively preventing the helicopter to accelerate further in a controlled manner. There can also be issues and limits at airspeeds where the tip of the advancing blades gets close to Mach 1. Taken together these limits more or less excludes the blades from ever experiencing reverse airflow during normal flight, thus in my estimate making the situation unlikely to have been a target for detailed theoretical and practical studies.

That said, I can imagine that a (relatively low speed) reverse airflow situation can be established with a static or slow rotating rotor on a helicopter sitting on ground in a strong headwind, where the airflow over some of the blades indeed will be reverse. Depending on the blade airfoil profile this airflow could very well produce (a little) lift.

Symmetric airfoils obviously produce same lift at same pitch range for both forward and reverse airflow (with the pitch being reversed when the flow is reverse), but even high cambered airfoils have pitch ranges where they produce (some) lift when in reverse airflows. Of course, both fixed wings and rotor blades can easily have mechanical designs that makes them ill-suited for transferring any significant lift from reverse flow. Rotor blades, for instance, are typically designed to work optimally when in operational rotation and could very well be incapable of transferring any significant fraction of the full load when not rotating.

Or put in another way, I would not be surprised if the blades of most helicopters would break if you tie down the helicopter with a non-rotating rotor in a wind tunnel at normal flight airspeed and then pitched the blades up/down.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreating_blade_stall.
 
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Cambered air foils produced a downwards pitching torque, which would result in additional strain at the hub and twisting of the rotor blades, so most helicopters use symmetrical (or nearly so) rotors.

There would be reverse flow on the inner portions of the retreating blades (the portion next to the hub).

The cyclic changes the pitch of the blades as they revolve around the hub. Gyroscopic reaction to a torque is delayed 90° (relative to main rotor rotation), so that a roll torque results in a pitch reaction, and vise versa, so the input is advanced by 90° to compensate. My understanding is that the pilot has to compensate for increased speed with pitch down input.
 
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