Helicopter tail rotor thrust requirement

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the thrust required by the tail rotor of a helicopter to counteract the torque produced by the main rotor. It includes considerations for different parameters such as horsepower, RPM, and tail boom length, and explores the implications of these factors on thrust requirements.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that knowing the horsepower and RPM of the main rotor is essential for calculating torque.
  • One participant proposes that doubling the tail boom length would cut the required thrust of the tail rotor in half.
  • Another participant agrees that a longer tail boom would decrease the power requirements of the tail rotor.
  • There is a suggestion to perform a moment balance to determine the thrust needed for the tail rotor at various tail boom lengths.
  • Participants discuss the calculation of torque using the formula torque = horsepower/RPM, leading to a derived thrust requirement.
  • One participant challenges the calculations presented, claiming a different thrust requirement of 3 lbs instead of 0.25 lbs.
  • There is a clarification regarding the formulas used for calculating torque in different units (in-lbs vs. ft-lbs).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations of thrust required for the tail rotor, with some agreeing on the method while others contest the results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact thrust requirement.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on specific assumptions about the helicopter's parameters, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the correct thrust value.

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How can you calculate the amount of thrust needed by the tail rotor of a helicopter to counter the torque of the main rotor?
 
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The answer to the question depends on what you know. If you know the horsepower and rpm of the main rotor, you can calculate the torque easily enough. More information is needed before we can help you...
 
lets say that this is for a model helicopter with .05 hp (37 watts), has blades that rotate at 300 rpm and has a 3.5 foot long tail boom. Wouldn't the required thrust of the tail rotor be cut in half if the tail boom length is doubled?
 
Making the tail boom longer would decrease the power requirements of the tail rotor.
 
Thanks, I thought it would, but how would you determine exactly how much thrust would be needed for the tail rotor at various tail boom lengths?
 
Just do a moment balance.
 
Well, you have the horsepower and rpm. Torque is horsepower/rpm...
 
ah. So, 0.88 ft-lb would be required to counter balance to main rotor and the thrust required for the tail rotor at 3.5 feet would be 0.25 lbs, right?
 
I can tell you yes or no if you show some steps as to how you got to your final answer.
 
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0.05 hp X 5252= 262.6/300 rpm = 0.88 ft-lb
0.88/3.5 ft= 0.25 lbs of thrust
 
  • #11
T = 63025*hp/rpm

this "0.05 hp X 5252= 262.6/300 rpm = 0.88 ft-lb" Makes no sense to me.

I get 3lbs of thrust.
 
  • #12
Cyrus said:
T = 63025*hp/rpm

this "0.05 hp X 5252= 262.6/300 rpm = 0.88 ft-lb" Makes no sense to me.

I get 3lbs of thrust.

T = 63025*hp/rpm is to find torque in in-lbs, and T-5252*hp/rpm is to find it in ft-lbs..
 
  • #13
PaulHP said:
T = 63025*hp/rpm is to find torque in in-lbs, and T-5252*hp/rpm is to find it in ft-lbs..

Yep you're right :-p
 

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