Helicopter Wrench Drop: Solving for Time and Speed with Constant Acceleration

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The problem involves a helicopter rising with a constant upward acceleration of 0.34 m/s², and a wrench that slips out at an altitude of 20 m. The questions focus on determining how soon the wrench hits the ground and at what speed it impacts.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the initial velocity of the wrench and the time until it hits the ground using kinematic equations. Some participants question the validity of the initial velocity and the interpretation of the time calculation, particularly whether it accounts for the wrench's upward motion before falling. Others suggest considering the displacement rather than just the distance traveled.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the calculations and questioning the assumptions made regarding the motion of the wrench. There is acknowledgment of the need for careful handling of significant figures and rounding errors, and suggestions for alternative kinematic formulas to verify results have been offered.

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Participants note confusion regarding the calculation of time and whether it includes the upward motion of the wrench. The relevance of displacement versus total distance traveled is also under consideration.

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Homework Statement


A helicopter rises vertically with a constant upward acceleration of 0.34 m/s2 . As it passes an altitude of 20 m, a wrench slips out the door.

Homework Equations


How soon does the wrench hit the ground?
At what speed does the wrench hit the ground?

The Attempt at a Solution



I have attempted to solve for the initial velocity of the wrench (3.6m/s), and from that I was able to solve for time using x=x(0) +V(0)t+1/2at^2
From this I get that the time is then 2.4s.

I am a bit confused tho, as first I know this is wrong. And second whether we are calculating the time of the item traveling up and then back to the ground again.

For the second part of the question, I know I need to find the final velocity of the wrench on its way down
for this i would use v2^2=v1^2+2AD
So for this one I have been getting 19.8m/s. But again I am not sure if this is the correct answer.

If someone can please lend a hand on this that would be perfect.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Sorry the relevant equations would be in the third section of the post - sorry about that
 
njurcik said:

Homework Statement


A helicopter rises vertically with a constant upward acceleration of 0.34 m/s2 . As it passes an altitude of 20 m, a wrench slips out the door.

Homework Equations


How soon does the wrench hit the ground?
At what speed does the wrench hit the ground?

The Attempt at a Solution



I have attempted to solve for the initial velocity of the wrench (3.6m/s), and from that I was able to solve for time using x=x(0) +V(0)t+1/2at^2
From this I get that the time is then 2.4s.
You should get in the habit of keeping a few more decimal places for values that you will be doing further calculations with. These so-called "guard digits" will help prevent rounding and truncation errors from creeping into the significant figures of future calculations.

That said, your initial velocity and time look good.
I am a bit confused tho, as first I know this is wrong. And second whether we are calculating the time of the item traveling up and then back to the ground again.

For the second part of the question, I know I need to find the final velocity of the wrench on its way down
for this i would use v2^2=v1^2+2AD
So for this one I have been getting 19.8m/s. But again I am not sure if this is the correct answer.

If someone can please lend a hand on this that would be perfect.

Thanks in advance!
It's not clear to me what values you are using in your formula v2^2=v1^2+2AD, so it's hard to comment on your method. If you are using the right values you should get a correct result (your result is close to but not exactly what I would expect). However, you can use another kinematic formula to check your results: you know the initial velocity, the acceleration, and the time of flight, so what formula might you use?
 
njurcik said:

Homework Statement


From this I get that the time is then 2.4s.

I am a bit confused tho, as first I know this is wrong.
How do you know it's wrong?
And second whether we are calculating the time of the item traveling up and then back to the ground again.

You're calculating the time it takes for the wrench to undergo a displacement of -20 m. Note that the distance the wrench travels is greater than 20 m because it travels up and then back down again. However, the distance isn't relevant. It's only the displacement that's relevant.

I agree that you have to be more careful about round-off errors. Other than that you're doing well.
 

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