Help derive this differential equation?

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The discussion revolves around deriving a specific differential equation from Griffith's quantum mechanics textbook, specifically related to the harmonic oscillator. The equation in question is a second-order differential equation.

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  • Participants explore the use of the characteristic equation and separation of variables as potential methods for solving the differential equation. There are questions about the validity of these approaches given the nature of the equation.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the proposed methods, indicating that the characteristic equation may not apply and that separation of variables is not correctly utilized. Others have sought clarification on the context of the equation in the textbook, with references to approximate solutions for large values of the variable.

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There is mention of specific sections in Griffith's textbook and a request for clarification on the derivation of an approximate solution, indicating that the original poster may be missing some contextual understanding of the material.

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Homework Statement
y'' = (r^2)y
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characteristic equation
Hello I need to derive this equation from Grittfith's quantum book

$$ \frac{d^2y}{dr^2} = r^2y$$
I know I can use the characteristic equation:
$$m^2 = r^2 \rightarrow y = e^{r^2}$$
but the answer should be:
$$y=Ae^{\frac{-r^2}{2}} + Be^{\frac{r^2}{2}}$$
I know from Euler's formula that:
$$e^{ix} = cos(x)+isin(x)$$
but there is no imaginary number in y.
Can I absorb the imaginary constant into a constant B or A and then go from there?
 
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Boltzmann Oscillation said:
I know I can use the characteristic equation
The characteristic equation applies for a linear differential equations with constant coefficients. That is not the case here. Your proposed solution also makes no sense as both terms are the same.
 
Orodruin said:
The characteristic equation applies for a linear differential equations with constant coefficients. That is not the case here. Your proposed solution also makes no sense as both terms are the same.

Alright, sorry. Could I use a solution via separable variables?
$$\frac{1}{y}dy^{2}=r^{2}dr^{2}$$
I can get from the first integration
$$\ln{y}dy=\frac{r^3}{3}dr$$
and integrating again i get
$$yln{y}-y+A=\frac{r^4}{12}$$
Am i going the right way?
 
Boltzmann Oscillation said:
Could I use a solution via separable variables?
No, that is not a correct application of separation of variables. You have a second derivative and cannot split that in that way.
 
Orodruin said:
No, that is not a correct application of separation of variables. You have a second derivative and cannot split that in that way.
Alright I am out of solutions :( could i get a hint?
 
Boltzmann Oscillation said:
Hello I need to derive this equation from Grittfith's quantum book
This is not a very specific reference. Please tell us exactly where in the book it appears.
 
Orodruin said:
This is not a very specific reference. Please tell us exactly where in the book it appears.
Introduction to Quantum Mechanics second edition
Section 2.3.2 Harmonic Oscillator Analytic Method
maybe I should mention r = sqrt(mwx2pi/h)?
 
So he is not saying that ##y = A e^{-r^2/2} + B e^{r^2/2}## is a solution. He is saying that it is an approximate solution for large ##r##. At least in the first edition (which is the one I have), he goes on to actually argue for the form of the solution.
 
Orodruin said:
So he is not saying that ##y = A e^{-r^2/2} + B e^{r^2/2}## is a solution. He is saying that it is an approximate solution for large ##r##. At least in the first edition (which is the one I have), he goes on to actually argue for the form of the solution.
ohh i see. How did he come up with that apporximate solution though?
 

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