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The discussion revolves around understanding the force exerted by springs during small horizontal displacements of a mass. Participants are examining the application of trigonometric functions in resolving forces related to spring mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why the unresolved force includes a cosine factor of 45 degrees, linking it to the assumption of small horizontal displacements. Other participants explore the relationship between the horizontal displacement and the direction of the spring force.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into vector components and trigonometric relationships. There appears to be a productive exploration of the geometry involved, though not all participants feel confident in their understanding.

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There is an emphasis on the assumption of small displacements and the specific angles involved in the problem setup, which may influence the interpretation of the forces at play.

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Help! Force of a Spring for "Small" displacements

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Okay, here is the diagram,
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For "small horizontal displacements" of the mass:

For the force exerted by each spring (TOTAL, not resolved) they are using:

Fsp=kxcos(45) and then resolving it onto the x-axis they use

Fsp x=kxcos25*cos45

I do not understanding this at all.

Why is the unresolved force using cos*45 ?

I am thinking it has to do with the fact that we are assuming that we are making
only "small horizontal displacements" of the mass.
 
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Saladsamurai said:
Why is the unresolved force using cos*45 ?

I am thinking it has to do with the fact that we are assuming that we are making
only "small horizontal displacements" of the mass.

The key word is horizontal as-in 'along the x-axis'. The springs exert a force in response to displacements along their lengths. What component of the horizontal displacement points along the length of each spring?
 


Well, apparently x*cos(45)...

But I have drawn it out like 4 times and cannot seem to see it. Guess you cannot really help me with that part though.
 


Well, let's look at the spring in the first quadrant: the angle between the horizontal displacement (call the displacement [itex]\dec{d}=x\hat{i}[/itex]), and the unit vector along th length of the spring (call it [itex]\hat{n}[/itex]) is 45 deg. To get the component of d along n you take the dot product of the two vectors, and [itex]\vec{d}\cdot\hat{n}=||\vec{d}||*||\hat{n}||\cos(45)=(x)*(1)\cos(45)[/itex]

Alternatively you can just use trig:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1719/springa.th.jpg
 
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Yes, I was using the wrong triangle like the jerk that I am. Thank you for that G... That offers a lot of insight into my problem-solving strategies.

Thanks again for your time,
Casey
 

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