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The discussion revolves around solving kinematics problems involving two missing variables, specifically in the context of constant acceleration. The original poster presents a scenario involving the USS Enterprise's acceleration, final velocity, and displacement, seeking guidance on how to approach such problems without directly receiving answers.

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  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations and the necessity of identifying which variables can be isolated. There is a suggestion to use two kinematic formulas and solve them, while others question the clarity of this approach and emphasize solving one equation at a time.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and clarifications about the kinematic equations. Some express differing views on the method of solving the equations, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to find initial velocity and acceleration with limited information. The original poster requests not to receive direct answers, emphasizing a desire to understand the problem-solving process instead.

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Help! How Do I solve Problems Like These- NOT HW- KINEMATICS

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Hey guys grade 11 physics student here,
just need a little help!

how do i solve questions that involve two missin variables?

For Example:

the uss enterprise suddently accelerates for 6.0s reaching a final velocity of 350m/s[e] the displacement for this interval was 9000m [e]

what was its intial velocity
what was its acceleration

I know the formulas but i can't use any because I don't have the variables

ALL THESE QUESTIONS ARE CONSTANT ACCELERATION

please don't post the answer but can you please show me how to go about solving them?

Thank You Very Much
 
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Hint: Use two kinematic formulas and solve them simultaneously.
 


Along with what Doc Al said:

As you know, there are 5 different variables one can use within the 4 kinematic equations:
x, vi, vf, a, and t

Each kinematic has one variable not included. The only variable "required" for each kinematic is vi. So, you want to find one of the kinematics that does not include both vi AND a. In that case, you would be left with two unknown variables. Instead, find the kinematic that only has vi as the unknown, and solve for vi. Then you will have enough information to solve for a.

Hope this helps, and I hope I didn't say too much!
 


I think "solve them simultaneously" is misleading. You solve two equations, one at a time. In each one, there is only one unknown.
 


mikelepore said:
I think "solve them simultaneously" is misleading. You solve two equations, one at a time. In each one, there is only one unknown.
That entirely depends on what equations you use. Using the usual suspects--the standard kinematic formulas listed https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=905663&postcount=2" for example--you would need to solve two equations simultaneously. None of them has only one unknown. (At least for this particular problem.)

Otherwise the problem would be too easy. :wink:
 
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Oh, do you not use \Deltax = \frac{1}{2}(vi + vf)\Deltat ?

Basically, since vavg = \Deltax / \Deltat
we know that \Deltax = (vavg)\Deltat

In cases where the acceleration is constant, vavg is equal to (vi + vf) / 2

Since, in the OP's example, acceleration is constant, we know that \Deltax = \frac{1}{2}(vi + vf)\Deltat

We can re-write that equation to solve for vi as follows: vi = ( 2\Deltax / \Deltat ) - vf

That's why I said there were four equations each with one variable "missing."
 


JDHalfrack said:
Oh, do you not use \Deltax = \frac{1}{2}(vi + vf)\Deltat ?
Hey, you're right. Forgot about that one. :approve:
 

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