Help me decide between these two books?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the choice between two mathematics books for independent study: "The Four Pillars of Geometry" by John Stillwell and "Abel's Theorem in Problems and Solutions." Participants explore the merits and challenges of each book, considering their own backgrounds and learning goals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Dave K, expresses a strong background in Euclidean geometry and a desire to enhance visual learning through Stillwell's book, while also acknowledging the appeal of the Abel book for its relevance to future studies.
  • Another participant praises the Abel book for its engaging explanations and suggests it covers various mathematical topics effectively.
  • Some participants recommend alternative books, such as Coxeter's "Introduction to Geometry" and "Geometry: Euclid and Beyond," as potentially better options than Stillwell's book.
  • A participant mentions the need for supplementary material on Abstract Algebra to accompany the Abel book, recommending Pinter's text for its readability.
  • Another participant shares their experience with both books and suggests that reading them together could be beneficial, while also providing links to additional resources that may clarify challenging concepts.
  • Concerns are raised about the language and concepts in the Abel book, particularly regarding transformations and surjections, with suggestions for resources to help with these topics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of opinions regarding the two books, with some favoring the Abel book for its breadth and others supporting Stillwell's approach. No consensus is reached on which book is definitively better, and various perspectives on supplementary resources and study strategies are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight their varying levels of background knowledge, particularly in abstract algebra and set theory, which may affect their ability to engage with the material in the Abel book. There are also references to specific sections of the books that some find challenging.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students considering independent study in mathematics, particularly those interested in geometry and abstract algebra, as well as those seeking recommendations for supplementary resources.

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For some independent study this summer, I have a choice of two books, available electronically, to study.

John Stillwell - The Four Pillars of Geometry

Abel's theorem in problems and solutions



The decision is fiendishly difficult. The first book plays on some of my strengths - I have a good background in basic euclidian geometry though the study of math history, which is where the book starts. Then it gets into a lot of things I've been wanting to learn and strengthen. (Like my ability to work visually).

The second is just fascinating - and covers a lot of topics I will encounter formally later in my studies. If I get through this book now I think I'll have a major heads up on a lot of those classes down the line. However, it also contains some things I feel I might lack the background for, like set theory and proofs, which I am self studying with "How to Prove it," by Velleman,

My background is three semesters of calculus and early history of mathematics. I haven't had any abstract yet, or linear algebra. I think it's a choice between really solidifying and enhancing existing knowledge vs. learning something completely new and a bit daunting.

Just can't seem to make up my mind!

-Dave K
 
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Wow, that book about Abels theorem is really good. It touches on several different parts of mathematics and it has nice explanations. You should have a good time learning it.

As for the Stilwell book, I think there might be better books out there. An excellent book is "Introduction to geometry" by Coxeter. It touches on all kind of different parts of mathematics and offers nice insights.
If you want a book on euclidean geometry, then perhaps "Geometry: Euclid and beyond" is something you'd like.
 
Yeah, I like how it starts with the theorem and the overall aim of the book, then dives into all these different mathematical concepts (seemingly unrelated, to me) to build back up to the theorem. I just hope I can tackle it. The language around 1.2 is where I start feeling un-prepared, but I'm still wondering if the Velleman book can help me with that. I have about 6 weeks to prepare for this and study ahead...

-Dave K
 
I haven't seen the Abel book before. Since it looks pretty concise, you may want a supplement for the basic Abstract Algebra. I often recommend Pinter as it is very readable as well as inexpensive.

Stillwell is a nice author - all of his books that I have seen are well written. I remember reading through some of that book back when I did a geometry class. I liked the approach, it starts pretty gently.
 
I seen this thread the other day & just today got them both out of the library as I had literally been meaning to finish them both off this summer anyway once exams were over so definitely feel free to post specific questions here about the books, I know I'd definitely like to talk about these two.

I've read most of the Abel book & some of the Stillwell book already. Another one extremely similar in style & philosophy hopefully read along with the second half of the Abel book is https://www.amazon.com/dp/0883856182/?tag=pfamazon01-20. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't read both books along with Steenrod, I'd say you'd be far better off doing it that way.

You'll learn a fantastic exposition of group theory based on thinking of groups in terms of permutations (read this to find out why it's done that way) & these (or these or these) lectures will be really helpful in clarifying the stuff sped through in the Abel book. Also, most of chapters 1 & 2 of the Abel book independently (recommended). Topology comes up when discussing the fundamental theorem of algebra & winding numbers & I'd recommend reading Steenrod along with these sections for a more complete exposition of that material (a real analysis course such as this one motivates a lot of this material).

However you said you had problems with the language in section 1.2, is that in Abel? Is the language of transformations & surjections completely new to you? In this context a transformation is another word for a bijection & in the case of finite sets the word permutation is also used equivalently. If this material is giving you problems then I'd recommend these, they deal with proofs & develop the necessary material (the discrete structures videos have some algebra stuff in there that covers some of the Abel stuff like groups, subgroups, cosets & Lagrange's theorem):

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF2DF6C3C8015DF5F&feature=plcp
http://nptel.iitm.ac.in/video.php?subjectId=106106094
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0131481010/?tag=pfamazon01-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/007154948X/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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you might get some interest if you start up a thread here where you read the abel book as a group, helping each other. then you could ask questions as you go along.
 

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