Help me to understand the QCD vertex factor

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The discussion revolves around understanding the QCD vertex factors, specifically the 3-vertex and 4-vertex factors associated with non-abelian gauge fields as presented in Peskin & Schroeder. Participants are seeking clarification on how to derive these factors from the Lagrangian density and the implications of permutations of group and Lorentz indices.

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  • One participant requests help in understanding the 3-vertex factor of non-abelian and QCD fields, referencing specific equations from a textbook.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on what aspects are unclear, indicating a need for more specific questions.
  • A participant mentions they are preparing to share equations that require assistance.
  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving the vertex factors through permutations of group indices, referencing a source that suggests this method.
  • Another participant suggests that the interaction terms can be derived by expanding the Lagrangian density, implying a standard approach to the problem.
  • The participant who expanded the Lagrangian notes confusion regarding the permutations of indices necessary to compute the vertex factors.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the specific methods for deriving the vertex factors, and multiple viewpoints regarding the approach to understanding the permutations of indices are present.

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There are references to specific equations and methods for deriving vertex factors, but the discussion lacks clarity on the assumptions and steps involved in these derivations. The exact nature of the permutations and their implications remains unresolved.

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Guys...help me out to understand this 3-vertex factor of non-abelian and or QCD fields.
it is from peskin & schroeder page 507.
 
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What specifically don't you understand?
 
vanhees71 said:
What specifically don't you understand?
i am latexing the 2 equations in a minute that i need help for.
 
Guys...help me out to understand this 3-vertex factor of non-abelian and or QCD fields
and then the 4-vertex of the same fields, it is from peskin & schroeder page 507.

I want to understand how to get the following vertex factors.
The equation are as follows;\begin{equation}

eq-1=gf^{abc}[g^{\mu\nu}(k-p)^{\rho}+g^{\nu\rho}(p-q)^{\mu}+g^{\rho\mu}(q-k)^{\nu}]

\end{equation}

\begin{equation}

eq-2=-ig^{2}[f^{abc}f^{cde}(g^{\mu\nu}g^{\nu\sigma}-g^{\mu\sigma}g^{\nu\rho})+f^{ace}f^{bde}(g^{\mu\nu}g^{\rho\sigma}-g^{\mu\sigma}g^{\nu\rho})+f^{ade}f^{bce}(g^{\mu\nu}g^{\rho\sigma}-g^{\mu\rho}g^{\nu\sigma})]

\end{equation}
 
You should be able to derive these interaction terms by expanding the Lagrangian density in the fields as usual.
 
yes, I expanded just the lagrangian propotional to 1/4tr(G)^2 and got the 3 and 4 vertex terms. what I am confused is that
how do I get these terms by permutation of what? the group indices a,b,c,?

Bailin and Love says on page 127 that permutation of momentum and lorentz indices will give these vertex factors
but I am having problem in computing it.
 

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