Help needed for finding stopping distance?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the minimum stopping distance of a truck transporting a tree on a flatbed trailer, considering the coefficient of static friction between the trailer and the tree. The truck is traveling at a specified speed, and the challenge is to ensure the tree does not slide forward during deceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between stopping distance, acceleration, and the forces involved, questioning how to find acceleration without knowing the mass or time. Some suggest using an unknown mass to simplify calculations, while others explore kinematic equations that do not require time.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring various methods to calculate acceleration and stopping distance. There is a recognition that mass can be treated as a variable that cancels out in the equations, and some guidance has been provided regarding the use of frictional force and kinematic equations.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of not having the mass of the tree and how it affects the calculations. Participants are also considering the necessity of showing all steps in a potential test scenario.

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Homework Statement


A tree is being transported on a flatbed trailer by a landscaper. If the base of the tree slides on the trailer, the tree will fall over and be damaged. If the coefficient of static friction between the trailer and the tree is 0.5, what is the minimum stopping distance of the truck, traveling at 15. 278 m/s, if it is to accelerate uniformly and do not have the tree slide forward and fall on the trailer?
Mu s= 0.5
V1= 15.278 m/s
d=?

Homework Equations


I'm not sure but i think
v2^2=v1^2+2ad
Us= Ffs/Fn
f=ma
v=d/t

The Attempt at a Solution


i don't really know what to do since i wasn't given the mass so i can't find acceleration or normal force[/B]
0.5(9.8)= 4.9
a= -4.9 m/s^2
v2^2-v1^2/2a=d
0^2-15.278^2?29-4.9)
d= 23.8 m
 
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Alpha123 said:
i don't really know what to do since i wasn't given the mass so i can't find acceleration or normal force
You can find the acceleration in terms of the stopping distance, right? Mass shouldn't be needed for that.

It's true you can't find the normal force, but just use an unknown "m" if you need to, maybe it will cancel out ;)
 
how would i find acceleration without the time?
and by using an unknown m do you mean Us= Ffs/ 9.8 x m ?
 
Alpha123 said:
how would i find acceleration without the time?
The truck starts at 15.278 m/s and comes to a stop in a certain distance. The time it takes to stop is completely determined by that distance. (A smaller distance means the truck stopped faster.) You'll have to find a way to calculate the time (in terms of the stopping distance).

Alpha123 said:
and by using an unknown m do you mean Us= Ffs/ 9.8 x m ?
Yes

Edit:
or you could use the kinematics equation and bypass the time like haruspex suggested
 
Alpha123 said:
how would i find acceleration without the time?
The first relevant equation you listed does not involve time.
and by using an unknown m do you mean Us= Ffs/ 9.8 x m ?
Yes.
 
Ffs=UFn
=0.5(9.8m)
=4.9m
i first found the frictional force and then i changed it to the acceleration
a= -4.9 m/s^2
then i plugged it into the first relevant equation
v2^2-v1^2/2a=d
0^2-15.278^2/(2 x -4.9)=d
d= 23.8 m
is this the correct way to do it?
 
also since i found Ffs= - 4.9 m
should i put it into F=ma?
4.9m= ma
a= 4.9m/m
and that way m gets canceled out?
 
Looks good to me.

And yes the mass cancels out because, although the (maximum) static friction force is proportional to the mass, the force required to accelerate the mass along with the truck is also proportional to the mass, so the mass becomes irrelevant.
 
all right got it. so if this was a test question i would need to show the F=ma part? Thanks a lot for your help :)
 

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