Frictional Forces-finding velocity and distance

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a hockey puck moving on ice, focusing on the effects of friction on its velocity and distance traveled. The subject area includes concepts of kinematics and frictional forces.

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  • Participants explore the calculations related to the puck's speed and distance after accounting for friction. There are attempts to clarify the effects of friction on acceleration and to determine the correct values for calculations. Questions arise regarding the sign of acceleration due to friction and the significance of using precise values in calculations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the importance of significant digits in calculations, suggesting that this may resolve discrepancies in the results. There is an acknowledgment of previous mistakes in calculations, and participants are actively engaging in correcting their approaches.

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Homework Statement


A 0.170 kg hockey puck is initially moving at 21.2 m/s [W] along the ice. The coefficient
of kinetic friction for the puck and the ice is 0.005.

(a) What is the speed of the puck after traveling 58.5 m?
(b) After being played on for a while, the ice becomes rougher and the coefficient of
kinetic friction increases to 0.047. How far will the puck travel if its initial and final
speeds are the same as before?

Homework Equations


v2^2=v1^2+2ad
Fnet=ma
Ff=μkFn

The Attempt at a Solution


a) FN=9.8(0.170)=1.666
Ff=0.005(1.6660)=0.00833
Fnet=ma
0.00833=0.170a =0.049
v2^2=v1^2+2ad
v2^2=(21.2)^2+2(0.049)(58.5)
v2=21.3, but the answer is 21.1

b)Ff=0.047(1.666)
Ff=0.078302
0.078302=0.170a=0.4606
v2^2=v1^2+2ad
I'll use the correct v2
21.1^2=21.2^2+2(0.4606)d
-4.23=0.9212d
d=-4.59 but the answer is 6.24
Not sure where I'm going wrong?
 
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Does friction acting on the puck produce a positive or negative acceleration?
 
TomHart said:
Does friction acting on the puck produce a positive or negative acceleration?
Negative, so v2^2=(21.2)^2+2(-0.049)(58.5), v2=21.1
21.1^2=21.2^2+2(-0.4606)d

-4.23=-0.9212d
d=4.59...
That helped fix my mistake in (a) but how about b?
 
For part b, you really should use more significant digits than 21.1. I think a more accurate number was 21.06. That should resolve that problem - I think.
 
TomHart said:
For part b, you really should use more significant digits than 21.1. I think a more accurate number was 21.06. That should resolve that problem - I think.
Oh wow that made a difference than you so much!
 
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