Help on to find probability density function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the probability density function (pdf) of a variable defined as i = x + (x^2 - y)^(1/2), where x and y are independent uniform random variables. The participants explore the necessary steps to derive the pdf, including the joint distribution and cumulative distribution function (cdf).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to start finding the pdf of the variable i.
  • Another participant suggests that the joint distribution of X and Y can be determined due to their independence, leading to the formulation f_{X,Y}(x,y) = f_X(x)f_Y(y).
  • A method is proposed to find the pdf by first calculating the cdf, involving a double integral over a specific region defined by the inequality x + √(x² - y) ≤ a.
  • There is a hint provided to determine the conditions under which the equality x + √(x² - y) = a holds, suggesting that it represents a straight line.
  • A participant attempts to manipulate the equation to express y in terms of x and a, arriving at y = 2ax - x², and seeks guidance on the next steps.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants are collaboratively exploring the problem, but there is no consensus on the solution or the next steps to take after deriving y = 2ax - x².

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the independence of the random variables and the uniform distributions, but specific details about the ranges of x and y are not provided, which may affect the evaluation of the integrals.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in probability theory, particularly those studying random variables and probability density functions, may find this discussion relevant.

musademirtas
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hey guys, i am really confused on something.here is the thing:
i have;

i=x+(x^2-y)^(1/2)

and here x is uniform distribution on (a,b)
y is uniform distribution on (c,d)
x and y independent
i need to find the probability density function of i but how?
actually i don't know how to start!
 
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Hi musademirtas! :smile:

First you will need to know the joint distribution of X and Y. This is easy because of independence:

f_{X,Y}(x,y)=f_X(x)f_Y(y)

Now, to find the pdf, you will need to find the cdf first. That is, for each a, you will want to calculate

P\{X+\sqrt{X^2-Y}\leq a\}=\iint_{\{(x,y)~\vert~x+\sqrt{x^2-y}\leq a\}}{f_{X,Y}(x,y)dxdy}

To evaluate this integral, you'll need to know the region \{(x,y)~\vert~x+\sqrt{x^2-y}\leq a\} somewhat better.

So I suggest you first find out for which tuples the equality holds. That is, for which x and y does it hold that

x+\sqrt{x^2-y}=a

(hint: the answer will be a straight line!)
 
hi micromass
thanks for the help but can you solve it? because i used your help to solve it but i couldn't do it.
 
Well, first you're going to need to write

x+\sqrt{x^2-y}=a

in function of y. What do you get for that?
 
ok.i got y=2ax-x^2 then what? how am i going to use this?
 

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