Help proving gcf(a,b) = gcf(a-b,2b-a)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the equality of the greatest common factor (gcf) of two pairs of expressions, specifically gcf(a,b) and gcf(a-b,2b-a). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of properties related to divisibility and the gcf.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if a gcf divides both a and b, it should also divide any sum or difference of a and b, questioning how this applies to gcf(a-b,2b-a).
  • One participant presents a structured argument using variables s and t to denote gcf(a,b) and gcf(a-b,2b-a), respectively, showing that t divides b and a, leading to the conclusion that s equals t.
  • Another participant asks whether 'n' in the context of the proof refers to the remainder from the Euclidean algorithm, to which it is clarified that 'n' can be any divisor.
  • Concerns are raised about the term 2b potentially affecting the outcome of the proof.
  • A later reply references a previous post, suggesting that a specific line addressed the concerns regarding 2b effectively.
  • One participant suggests using the property gcd(m,n) = gcd(m+kn,n) to further explore the problem.
  • A participant notes a potential typo in a previous post that may contribute to confusion in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the term 2b and the clarity of the proof, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are references to assumptions about divisibility and the properties of the gcf that may not be fully articulated, as well as a potential typo that could affect understanding.

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how should i think when trying to prove this problem ?
 
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Null_Pointer said:
how should i think when trying to prove this problem ?
1. If gcf divides both a and b, isn't it true that it also divides any sum or differenceof a and b? How does that apply to the gcf of (a-b,2b-a)?
 
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let s=gcf(a,b), so s|a , s|b, (n|a and n|b implies n|s)
let t=gcf(a-b,2b-a), so t|a-b , t|2b-a, (n|a-b and n|2b-a implies n|t)
we have t|(a-b)+(2b-a)=b and t|(a-b)-b=a
so t|s
we have s|(a)-(b)=a-b and s|2(b)-(a)=2b-a
so s|t
so s=t
 
alphachapmtl said:
let s=gcf(a,b), so s|a , s|b, (n|a and n|b implies n|s)
let t=gcf(a-b,2b-a), so t|a-b , t|2b-a, (n|a-b and n|2b-a implies n|t)
we have t|(a-b)+(2b-a)=b and t|(a-b)-b=a
so t|s
we have s|(a)-(b)=a-b and s|2(b)-(a)=2b-a
so s|t
so s=t

i just have one question, is 'n' in this case the remainder from the euclidean formula ?
 
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Null_Pointer said:
i just have one question, is 'n' in this case the remainder from the euclidean formula ?
No n can be any divisor, not just the euclidean remainder. Simply put if any number divides both a and b, it also must divide the gcf of (a,b).
 
However, we have that question of 2b, which could affect the outcome.
 
robert Ihnot said:
However, we have that question of 2b, which could affect the outcome.
I think the third line of Null Pointer's post handled that question nicely.
 
Use that gcd(m,n)=gcd(m+kn,n) twice, one on each side.

There is a slight typo in the third line mentioned above, it may be the cause of the confusion.
 
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