Help Solve Integral: I = \int_0 ^{\pi}dt\sqrt{k^2 + \sin^2t}

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The discussion revolves around the integral I = ∫₀^{π} dt √(k² + sin² t) and its approximation in the limit where k² is much smaller than 1. Participants explore methods to reproduce the approximation presented in a referenced paper and discuss the properties of elliptic integrals related to the integral.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to reproduce an approximation for the integral I and notes that it agrees with the paper's results for small k.
  • Another participant suggests expanding the square root near k²=0 and dropping higher-order terms, but expresses confusion about the conditions for k.
  • A participant corrects a typo regarding the condition k² ≪ 1 and mentions difficulty in expanding around k²=0 due to divergence of the derivative.
  • One participant identifies the integral as a complete elliptic integral of the second kind and mentions that knowledge of special functions can lead to the expected approximation.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for identifying the integral and seeks further information on obtaining the expansion of E(p) in terms of q.
  • A later reply references historical sources and handbooks that compile properties of special functions, suggesting they may contain relevant information.
  • Another participant shares a specific historical reference to a treatise on elliptic functions that includes a series expansion relevant to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the nature of the integral and its relation to elliptic functions, but there is no consensus on the methods for obtaining the expansion or the specifics of the approximation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their approaches, such as the divergence of derivatives at k²=0 and the need for specific knowledge of special functions to derive the approximation.

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Readers interested in elliptic integrals, mathematical approximations, and the properties of special functions may find this discussion relevant.

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I was reading a paper where the following integral appears:

[tex]I = \int_0 ^{\pi}dt\sqrt{k^2 + \sin^2t}[/tex]

In the limit [itex]k^2 \ll 1[/itex] the authors present the following approximation

[tex]I \approx 2 + \frac{k^2}{2}\left(\ln{\frac{1}{k^2}} + 4\ln 2 + 1\right).[/tex]

I'm trying to reproduce this result but with no luck. Any idea how it should go? I've plotted both expressions as a function of k and they indeed agree for small k.
 
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Did you try expanding the square root near k^2=0? then dropping terms of higher order than 1 in k^2.

I'm a bit confused why k should be a lot smaller than 2 and not 1
 
Sorry that was a typo on my part, it should of course be [itex]k^2 \ll 1[/itex].

I don't see how to expand it around k^2=0 since the derivative with respect to k^2 diverges at k^2=0. In any case the result I want to get is not a polynomial in k^2 so I need a different approach.
 
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Hi !

This is a complete elliptic integral of the second kind.
If one knows the properties of these kind of special functions, the expansion leads to the expected approximation.
In attachment, more terms of the expansion are provided.
 

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JJacquelin said:
Hi !

This is a complete elliptic integral of the second kind.
If one knows the properties of these kind of special functions, the expansion leads to the expected approximation.
In attachment, more terms of the expansion are provided.

Thank you, that was very helpful. And now that I know what it's called I can plot using the inbuilt Mathematica functions; plotting the actual integral took ages.

However, I would still like to know how to obtain the expansion of E(p) in terms of q. Do you happen to know where it comes from?
 
phsopher said:
However, I would still like to know how to obtain the expansion of E(p) in terms of q. Do you happen to know where it comes from?

The properties of special functions such as E(p) were studied one century ago and earlier.
They are gathered in the mathematical handbooks. For example :
M.Abramowitz, I.A.Stegun, "Handbook of Mathematical Functions", Dover Publications, N.-Y., 1972
J.Spanier, K.B.Oldham, "An Atlas of Functions", Hemisphere Pubishing Corporation, Springer-Verlag, 1987.
Good luck if you want to find the original manuscripts or books.
 

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