Help Solving a Trigonometry Problem - Questions Welcome!

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a trigonometry problem involving the equation (1 - sin x) / (1 + sin x) = (sec x - tan x)^2. The original poster, Chris, is attempting to simplify the equation but finds themselves stuck after reducing it to cos^2 x = 1.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the rationale behind multiplying the numerator and denominator by (1 - sin x) and question the necessity of this step. There are attempts to clarify the manipulation of the left side of the equation and its implications. Some participants suggest looking into trigonometric identities for further insight.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the manipulation of the equation. Some participants have provided hints and guidance, while others express confusion about the steps taken and the reasoning behind them.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the distinction between proving an identity and solving an equation, which may influence how participants approach the problem. Additionally, the original poster's background in geometry and transition to trigonometry is noted, which may affect their understanding of the concepts discussed.

hmm?
Messages
19
Reaction score
0
Hello,

I'm brand new here; needless to say, I think it's great what this community is doing. Now to my question: my class is just finishing up geometry, which means we're starting to enter into beginning trig. Here's the problem:

1-Sinx/1+Sinx = (Secx-Tanx)^2

So far, I've been able to reduce to this: Cos^2x=1

from this point on, I'm stumped--any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris
 
Physics news on Phys.org
HINT: Multiply numerator and denominator by

[tex]1 - \sin x[/tex]
 
I don't understand why I would need to multiply by 1-sinx? I cleared the left side by 1+sinx => 1+Sinx(1-Sinx/1+sinx) => 1-Sin^2x which is Cos^2x--I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I'm not grasping the reason to multiply the numerator and denominator by (1-sinx)

thanks.
 
hmm? said:
I don't understand why I would need to multiply by 1-sinx? I cleared the left side by 1+sinx => 1+Sinx(1-Sinx/1+sinx) => 1-Sin^2x which is Cos^2x--I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I'm not grasping the reason to multiply the numerator and denominator by (1-sinx)

thanks.

Try it and see what happens. Also, after you have done this, glance through some trig idents and see what jumps out.

~H
 
hmm? said:
I don't understand why I would need to multiply by 1-sinx? I cleared the left side by 1+sinx => 1+Sinx(1-Sinx/1+sinx) => 1-Sin^2x which is Cos^2x--I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I'm not grasping the reason to multiply the numerator and denominator by (1-sinx)

thanks.
Uhmm, I don't understand what you wrote here... :frown:
You are using a lot of "implies", which do not make much sense in this case.
What do you mean by:
[tex]1 + \sin x \Rightarrow (1 + \sin x) \frac{1 - \sin x}{1 + \sin x} \Rightarrow 1 - \sin ^ 2 x \Rightarrow \cos ^ 2 x[/tex]? :confused:
Have you tried cancelling (1 - sin x) from both sides?
Hint:
[tex]\frac{1 - sin x}{1 + \sin x} = (\sec x - \tan x) ^ 2[/tex]
[tex]\Leftrightarrow \frac{1 - sin x}{1 + \sin x} = \left( \frac{1}{\cos x} - \frac{\sin x}{\cos x} \right) ^ 2[/tex]
[tex]\Leftrightarrow \frac{1 - sin x}{1 + \sin x} = \frac{(1 - \sin x) ^ 2}{\cos ^ 2 x}[/tex]
You should be able to go from here, right? Can you? :)
 
hmm? said:
Hello,

I'm brand new here; needless to say, I think it's great what this community is doing. Now to my question: my class is just finishing up geometry, which means we're starting to enter into beginning trig. Here's the problem:

1-Sinx/1+Sinx = (Secx-Tanx)^2

So far, I've been able to reduce to this: Cos^2x=1

from this point on, I'm stumped--any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris

The first thing you should make clear when given a question like this is to ascertain whether you're asked to 1) prove an identity or 2) solve an equation.

An identity is a relationship between two expressions that is true for *all* valid x. You can't solve an identity, you can only prove that it's true. The question will be phrased "Prove that ... = ..." or "Show that ... = ..." and the goal is to manipulate either the Left Hand Side to become the Right Hand Side or vice versa (one will do).

An equation is a relationship between two expressions that only holds true for finitely many values of the variable x. It is not true in general. The goal here is to do stuff to find out what value(s) of x the equation holds for, that's the required solution set. You cannot prove an equation, you can only solve it.

Now, what you have looks like an identity proof question because

[tex]\frac{1 - \sin x}{1 + \sin x} = {(\sec x - \tan x)}^2[/tex]

holds true for all valid x.

When you prove an identity, your proof must take the form LHS = LHS' = LHS '' = ... = RHS, where by all the prime symbols (') I mean manipulation of the Left Hand Side. It can also take the form RHS = RHS' = ... = LHS.

Note the use of the "=" (equal) sign here, not the implied sign as VietDao pointed out.

In contrast, when you solve an equation you should use the implied sign. If the equation is of the form LHS = RHS, then the solution will go [tex]LHS = RHS \Rightarrow LHS' = RHS' \Rightarrow ... x = (solution)[/tex]

In each case (proving identities or solving equations), you will use various manipulations involving common trigonometric identities, which you should know in a very familiar way.

I hope the basics are clearer now, in order to avoid confusion. :smile:
 
Last edited:
hmm? said:
I don't understand why I would need to multiply by 1-sinx? I cleared the left side by 1+sinx => 1+Sinx(1-Sinx/1+sinx) => 1-Sin^2x which is Cos^2x--I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I'm not grasping the reason to multiply the numerator and denominator by (1-sinx)

thanks.
1-sin^2x is the conjugate... the opposite of the denominator... its useful to get a difference of squares on the bottom.. if you did stuff with radicals, you probably have seen it before...
 

Similar threads

Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
5K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
11
Views
36K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
12K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
5K