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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the Lorentz factor and its application in calculating the observed speed of a projectile fired from a train moving at relativistic speeds. Participants explore the velocity addition formulas within the context of special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving a train moving at .9c and a projectile fired at .5c relative to the train, questioning how to calculate the observed speed from a stationary frame.
  • Another participant suggests using the velocity addition formulas to find the correct observed speed.
  • A later reply mentions the possibility of deriving the velocity addition formula through Lorentz boosts between different frames of reference.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the initial assumption that dividing by the Lorentz factor would yield the correct observed speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct method to calculate the observed speed, as participants suggest different approaches and formulas without resolving the discrepancies.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not clarify the assumptions underlying their calculations or the specific conditions under which the velocity addition formulas apply.

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If I am at rest and I observe a train moving past me at .9c and then the train fires a projectile at .5c relative to it how fast do I observe the projectile moving?

With the speeds given, the lorentz factor is 2.294. I made the incorrect assumtion that I could just take the .5c and divide it by the lorentz factor since S = d/t and time is now 2.294 times slower.

How do I find the correct observed speed?
 
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mdergance3 said:
If I am at rest and I observe a train moving past me at .9c and then the train fires a projectile at .5c relative to it how fast do I observe the projectile moving?

With the speeds given, the lorentz factor is 2.294. I made the incorrect assumtion that I could just take the .5c and divide it by the lorentz factor since S = d/t and time is now 2.294 times slower.

How do I find the correct observed speed?

Apply the velocity transformation.
 
For this the simplest way is to just use the velocity addition formulas. If you want to know where that formula came from, though, you can do 2 lorentz boosts, one from the projectile's Frame to the train frame, and then from the train frame to the platform frame.
 

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