Help visualising a limit proof

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The discussion revolves around visualizing a limit proof in calculus, specifically focusing on the definition of limits and how to represent them graphically. Participants are exploring the relationship between the function and its limit as the variable approaches a specific value.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants attempt to visualize the limit through sketches and animations, while others emphasize the importance of definitions in understanding limits. There is a focus on substituting specific values into the limit definition to clarify the proof process.

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Participants are actively engaging with the definitions of limits and attempting to connect them to graphical representations. Suggestions for improving visual understanding have been made, particularly regarding the drawing of bounding boxes around the graph of the function.

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There is mention of the need for clear visual aids, such as sketches in two dimensions, to better illustrate the concept of limits. Some participants express difficulty in visualizing the proof, indicating a potential gap in understanding that may need to be addressed.

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i tried to interpret it on a sketch

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6498/13549423mx3.gif
 
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i can't see the animation of this proove
 
When you don't know where to start, look at the definitions!

"[itex]\lim_{x\rightarrow x_0} f(x)= L[/itex]" means, by definition, that

"Given any [\itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex] there exist [itex]\delta> 0[/itex] such that if [itex]|x- x_0|< \delta[/itex] then [/itex]|f(x)- L|< \epsilon[/itex]".

Here, the function is just f(x)= x and you want to prove that the limit is [itex]x_0[/itex]: write exactly the same thing but replace "f(x)" with "x" and "L" with "[itex]x_0[/itex]".

"Given any [\itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex] there exist [itex]\delta> 0[/itex] such that if [itex]|x- x_0|< \delta[/itex] then [/itex]|x- x_0|< \epsilon[/itex]".

You should see immediately that what was before "[itex]|f(x)- L|< \epsilon[/itex]" is now "[itex]|x- x_0|< \epsilon[/itex]" the same as with "[itex]|x- x_0|< \delta[/itex]". So make [itex]\epsilon[/itex] and [itex]\delta[/itex] the same: given any [itex]\delta> 0[/itex], you can always choose [itex]\delta= \epsilon[/itex].
 
HallsofIvy said:
When you don't know where to start, look at the definitions!

"[itex]\lim_{x\rightarrow X} f(x)= L[/itex]" means, by definition, that

"Given any [\itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex] there exist [itex]\delta> 0[/itex] such that if [itex]|x- X|< \delta[/itex] then [/itex]|f(x)- L|< \epsilon[/itex]".

Here, the function is just f(x)= x and you want to prove that the limit is [itex]X[/itex]: write exactly the same thing but replace "f(x)" with "x" and "L" with "[itex]X[/itex]".

"Given any [\itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex] there exist [itex]\delta> 0[/itex] such that if [itex]|x- X|< \delta[/itex] then [/itex]|x- X|< \epsilon[/itex]".

You should see immediately that what was before "[itex]|f(x)- L|< \epsilon[/itex]" is now "[itex]|x- X|< \epsilon[/itex]" the same as with "[itex]|x- X|< \delta[/itex]". So make [itex]\epsilon[/itex] and [itex]\delta[/itex] the same: given any [itex]\delta> 0[/itex], you can always choose [itex]\delta= \epsilon[/itex].

As for your picture, it would be better to draw it in two dimensions: draw the graph of y= x, a straight line. Since [/itex]\epsilon[/itex] is bounding the value of the function, draw two horizontal lines at [itex]Y= X+ \epsilon[/itex] and at [itex]y= X- \epsilon[/itex]. Draw vertical lines where the graph crosses those horizontal lines to get a "box" bounding the graph. The vertical lines will give [itex]X+\delta[/itex] and [itex]x-\delta[/itex]. Here, of course, because the line is y= x, that box is a square: [itex]\delta= \epsilon[/itex].
 

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