Help w/ Seaborn's Mathematics for the Physical Sciences

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The discussion revolves around the application of the divergence theorem in the context of spherical polar coordinates, specifically for a vector field defined in these coordinates and its evaluation over one octant of a sphere with radius b.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the derivation of the area element for a spherical surface in polar coordinates and question the inclusion of the sine function in the area calculation. There is also an inquiry into the area element for the xz plane and how it relates to circular sectors.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the geometric interpretation of the area elements, while others are still working through the reasoning behind the derivations. There is an ongoing exploration of different surfaces and their respective area elements.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of spherical coordinates and the specific geometric interpretations required for the problem, indicating a learning process that involves visualizing and breaking down the problem into manageable parts.

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Homework Statement


In spherical polar coordinates, a vector F is given by F=(r*costheta*cosphi)rhat + (r*costheta*sinphi)thetahat + (r*sintheta*cosphi)phihat

Check the validity of the divergence theorem for this vector and the volume that is one octant of a sphere radius b.


Homework Equations


[tex]\oint[/tex]F [tex]\cdot[/tex] dA = [tex]\int[/tex]Vgrad[tex]\cdot[/tex]Fd3r


The Attempt at a Solution

The solution for this problem is in my book, and I am having difficulty following it, I think because it is in polar coordinates, and I am still trying to get used to them.

The author proceeds to divide the surface into four area elements:

spherical surface : dA = rhat(b^2)*sintheta*dtheta*dphi

before I go on to any of the other elements, could someone please help me understand how the author derived this expression? Thanks.
 
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bcjochim07 said:
spherical surface : dA = rhat(b^2)*sintheta*dtheta*dphi

before I go on to any of the other elements, could someone please help me understand how the author derived this expression? Thanks.

Hi bcjochim07! :smile:

Mark a "rectangle" on the surface, with change in latitude dθ and change in longitude dφ.

Then its width is bsinθ dθ, and its height is bdφ, so its area is b2sinθdθdφ. :wink:
 
ok,

So I think I understand where the bdφ comes from; isn't that an arc length? Then I would think that the other dimension would be bdθ, so where does that sinθ come from?

Thanks.
 
Just look at a globe of the Earth …

a circle of latitude has radius bsinθ

(while a circle of longitude has radius b). :smile:
 
Thanks. Great explanation. Now I am trying to figure out how the book derives the other surfaces. For example, the area element in the xz plane is in the negative phi hat direction with dA = r dr dθ. Considering the area formula for a circular sector, I thought it should be (1/2)rdrdθ.
 
Ok... I think I see it now. I just need to divide the area up into little "rectangles" just like I did for the spherical surface. Each of these rectangles has dimensions dr by rdθ.
 
bcjochim07 said:
Ok... I think I see it now. I just need to divide the area up into little "rectangles" just like I did for the spherical surface. Each of these rectangles has dimensions dr by rdθ.

Yup! … it's all simple geometry …

just draw the right diagram, and it becomes obvious! :biggrin:
 

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