Help with a current, resistance, and resistivity problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the resistance of a truncated right circular cone with given dimensions and resistivity. The original poster attempts to set up an integral to find the resistance based on the varying radius along the length of the cone.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the resistance integral, questioning the relationship between the radius and the position along the cone. There is exploration of how to express the radius as a function of distance x from the left end.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on correcting the integrand and suggest a linear relationship for the radius. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to refine the approach, with multiple interpretations of the integral being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential errors in calculations and assumptions about the integration process, indicating a focus on understanding the setup rather than arriving at a final answer.

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Homework Statement



In the figure below, current is set up through a truncated right circular cone of resistivity 898 Ω·m, left radius a = 2.00 mm, right radius b = 2.30 mm, and length L = 1.64 cm. Assume that the current density is uniform across any cross section taken perpendicular to the length. What is the resistance of the cone?

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HINT: Consider a cross-sectional slice of thickness dx. How is the resistance of that slice related to the resistivity of the material? How do you relate the resistance of the slice to the distance x from the left end and the full distance L?

Homework Equations



R = ρ * (L/A)

The Attempt at a Solution



Okay so I haven't gotten very far with this one. I know you have to set up an integral with respect to L, so I tried an integral from 0 to 0.0164 m and I related the radius as (b-a / L) * dx + 22) So I had an integral of [itex]\int\frac{ρx dx}{\pi* ((\frac{b-a}{L} * x) + 2)^{2}}[/itex] but I had a really hard time trying to work this out. Can someone just set me off in the right direction?
 
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Welcome to PF iiiiaann,

I don't think your integrand is quite right. The infinitesimal resistance dR of an infinitesimal cross-sectional slice of thickness dx is just given by:

dR = (ρdx)/A(x)

where A is the area of the slice, and I have explicitly indicated that this area is a function of x. Since the cross sections are circular,

A(x) = πr2(x)

where r(x) is the radius of the slice. So, the question is, how does the radius of the slices vary with x? This is the part I think you didn't do quite right. Hint: the radius increases from a at x = 0 to b at x = L, and since it's a cone, you can assume that it rises linearly from this starting value to this ending value. Does that help you figure out the form of r(x)?
 
would that make r with respect to x = (b-a) * x/L + a or in this problem that would be (2.3 mm - 2 mm) * x/1.64 cm + 2mm?
 
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I agree with (b-a)x/L + a.
 
so the integral would then be [itex]\int\frac{ρ dx}{\pi [((b-a) * \frac{x}{L}) + 2]^{2}}[/itex] from 0 cm to L cm

or with all the numbers plugged in from this problem:

[itex]\int\frac{898\Omega * m dx}{\pi [((0.0023 m - 0.002 m) * \frac{x}{0.0164 m}) + 0.002 m]^{2}}[/itex] from 0 m to 0.0164 m

simplified:

[itex]\int\frac{898\Omega * m dx}{\pi [0.01829x m + 0.002 m]^{2}}[/itex] from 0m to 0.0164 m

without the units:

[itex]\int\frac{898 dx}{\pi [0.01829x + 0.002]^{2}}[/itex] from 0 to 0.0164

So assuming my above integral was right, you can pull ρ and ∏ out of the integral because they are constant and you get [itex]\frac{\rho}{\pi}\int\frac{dx}{(0.01829x + 0.02)^{2}}[/itex] from 0 to 0.0164 and that integral comes out to [itex]\frac{\rho}{\pi}*\left[(1/0.01829) * ln(0.01829x + 0.02)\right|^{0.0164}_{0}[/itex] or
[itex]\frac{\rho}{\pi}*[\frac{ln((0.01829)(0.0164) + 0.02)}{0.01829} - \frac{ln((0.01829)(0) + 0.02)}{0.01829}][/itex]

or [itex]\frac{\rho}{\pi * 0.01829}*[\ln((0.01829)(0.0164) + 0.02) - ln((0.01829)(0) + 0.02)][/itex]

simplifying to [itex]\frac{898}{\pi * 0.01829}*[\ln(0.0203) - ln(0.02)][/itex]

[itex]15628.33668 * ln(\frac{0.0203}{0.02})[/itex]

15628.33668 * 0.014889

= 232.684Ω

I'm not sure on this answer, but also not sure where I may have gone wrongEDIT: realized i was using 0.02 in the ln's instead of 0.002, i re-did it and came out with 2183.95, does that seem more reasonable?

EDIT 2: Still wrong, any help with finding my mistake?
 
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fml I am an idiot, integrating wrong. I figured it out. Thanks for the help
 
iiiiaann said:
fml I am an idiot, integrating wrong. I figured it out. Thanks for the help

:smile: Well, you certainly went about the integration like a Trojan! I think it might have been easier to leave it in symbolic form for integration rather than carrying around all those numbers.

The form of the integral is [itex]\large \int \frac{1}{u^2} du = \frac{-1}{u}[/itex].
 

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