Help with B field for a homemade electromagnet

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The discussion revolves around the calculations and understanding of the magnetic field generated by a homemade electromagnet constructed with copper wire, a 6-volt battery, and a carbon steel screw. The original poster expresses concern that their calculated magnetic field strength appears too high compared to a neodymium magnet.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations related to resistance, current, and magnetic field strength. Some question the validity of the original poster's assumptions regarding the battery's voltage and internal resistance, while others suggest recalculating based on measured voltage.

Discussion Status

The discussion has progressed with participants providing guidance on recalculating current based on measured voltage and questioning the feasibility of the original current calculation. There is an acknowledgment of the need to monitor the battery's performance under load.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of a voltmeter initially, which may have impacted the accuracy of the original calculations. The internal resistance of the battery is also a point of discussion, as it may limit the achievable current.

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Homework Statement


I'm doing a physics demo, and I've made basic electromagnet using some copper wire, a 6 volt battery, and a carbon steel screw, and I need help checking my calculations because I think the magnetic field for my magnet is too large. I've double checked everything and can't come up with why it's so large...(The reason I think it's not nearly as strong is I have a a neodymium magnet to compare it with, which has ~ 1.25 T B field, and although it is close to it's strength, it is not as strong). The only thing that makes the B-field believable to me in terms of strength is removing the relative permeability constant.

Variables used in my calculations:
Wire characteristics: 7.3152 m, 16 AWG (cross sectional area of 1.330763e-6 m2)
Solenoid Core: .135m long carbon steel screw with a radius of approx 0.05m
6 volt battery
μ0 = 4π × 10−7 H/m
μcarbon steel1.26×10−4 H/m

Homework Equations



R=ρl/A

I = V/R

B=kμ0nI

The Attempt at a Solution


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Wire: 24 ft. (7.3152 m), 16 AWG
Solenoid Core: 0.135m long Carbon Steel Screw with a radius of approx. 0.05m

Carbon Steel magnetic permeability (μ) = 1.26e-4 H/m => a relative permeability of ~100 (μ/μ0)

Resistance = ρl/A

ρ = 1.724e-8 ohm*m, l = 7.3152 m, A= 1.330763e-6 m2

Resistance = 0.0964 ohms

I = V/R

V = 6 V, R = 0.0964 ohms => I= 62.2118 Amperes

B=kμ0nI μ0 = 4πe-7 T*m/A n= 143 turns/0.135 m = 1059.259259 turns/m k=relative permeability of carbon steel = 100

B = (100)(4πe-7 T*m/A)( 1059.259259 turns/m)( 62.2118 Amperes) = 8.281 Tesla
 
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OK to check: (I like using B = μNi/L ~ 1.3e-4 H/m * 143 turns * 62.2A / 0.135m ~ 8.6T.
But here's the thing: what kind of battery are you running? The power dissipation in your wire is a whopping 348W which, to be frank, I wonder about. Did you measure your battery voltage when the wire was connected?
Otherwise your calculations look good.
 
I'm using a Eveready 6 Volt Lantern Battery 1209, and unfortunately I don't have a voltmeter to test it at the moment. So, no, I didn't measure it when the wire was connected.
 
Okay, I found an old multimeter, and I believe I've got it measuring correctly, reading almost exactly 6 volts without the wire, and ~.5 volts with the wires hooked up.
 
StormDuck said:
Okay, I found an old multimeter, and I believe I've got it measuring correctly, reading almost exactly 6 volts without the wire, and ~.5 volts with the wires hooked up.
That's more like it. So compute your current as 0.5V/0.09ohms= 5.6A. The coil should still feel hot at ~ 2.8W dissipation. And the 0.5V might not hold up for long so monitor that too.
 
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rude man said:
That's more like it. So compute your current as 0.5V/0.09ohms= 5.6A. The coil should still feel hot at ~ 2.8W dissipation. And the 0.5V might not hold up for long so monitor that too.

Awesome, thank you, that makes everything seem way more believable. I appreciate the help greatly.
 
StormDuck said:
Awesome, thank you, that makes everything seem way more believable. I appreciate the help greatly.
You're most welcome.
 
62.2118 Amperes is impossible to reach from a 6 volt battery because of its internal resistance (6 volt battery short circuit current is <20 amperes approx.)
 

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