Help with derivation of electric field of a moving charge

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the electric field produced by a moving charge, specifically focusing on the mathematical expressions and their implications. The subject area includes electromagnetism and the behavior of electric and magnetic fields in relation to moving charges.

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  • Participants explore the derivation of the electric field and its components, questioning the dimensional consistency of terms and the presence of additional terms in the equations. There are discussions about verifying results against known equations and checking for errors in the derivation process.

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Homework Statement
Derive electric field of moving charge formulas from Lienard-Wiechert potentials.
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Formulas of electromagnetic field of moving charge to be derived:
$$\vec E=\frac q {\mu^3}\left((1-\beta^2)\vec R-R(1-\beta^2)\vec\beta\right)+\frac q{c\mu^3}\left(\vec R\times\left((\vec R-R\vec\beta)\times\vec\beta\right)\right)$$
$$\vec B =\frac{\vec R}{R}\times\vec E$$
$$\mu=R-\vec\beta\cdot\vec R$$
##\vec R## is a difference between point, where the fields are calculated, and the point, where moving charge are.
Here and further, all values are considered taken in ##t'## moment (except those in general formulas for calculating EMF from potentials)
Values in the right side of these equations should be calculated at the moment ##t'## given by equation: ##R(t')=c(t-t')##.
One can derive field equations from Lienard-Wiechert potentials:
$$\varphi = \frac q {\mu}$$
$$\vec A=\frac{q\vec\beta}{\mu}$$
By general formulas:
$$\vec E = -\nabla\varphi-\frac 1 c \frac{\partial\vec A}{\partial t}$$
$$\vec B=\nabla\times\vec A$$
Also I have these relations from my textbook:
$$\frac{\partial R}{\partial t'}=-c\frac{\vec\beta\cdot\vec R}R$$
$$\frac {\partial t'}{\partial t}=\frac R{\mu}$$
At first, I derived that:
$$\nabla \frac 1{\mu}=-\frac 1{{\mu}^3}\left((1-\beta^2)+\frac{\dot{\vec\beta}\cdot\vec R}c\right)\vec R$$
(dot means differentiation with respect to ##t'##).
I assume this result is true because it gives valid result for magnetic field.

To find electric field one should also derive partial derivative of ##\vec A## with respect to ##t##. I've used chain rule, substituted ##\vec A## and used derivative of product formula.
$$\frac {\partial \vec A}{\partial t}=\frac {\partial \vec A}{\partial t'}\frac {\partial t'}{\partial t}=q\frac {\partial t'}{\partial t}\left(\frac1\mu\frac{\partial\vec\beta}{\partial t'}-\frac 1{\mu^2}\frac{\partial\mu}{\partial t'}\vec\beta\right)=q\frac {\partial t'}{\partial t}\left(\frac1\mu\dot{\vec\beta}-\frac 1{\mu^2}\frac{\partial\mu}{\partial t'}\vec\beta\right)$$
Then calculated separately:
$$\frac{\partial\mu}{\partial t'}=\frac{\partial R}{\partial t'}-\frac{\partial(\vec\beta\cdot\vec R)}{\partial t'}=\frac{\partial R}{\partial t'}-\vec\beta\cdot\frac{\partial\vec R}{\partial t'}-\vec R\cdot\frac{\partial\vec\beta}{\partial t'}$$
Now use the fact that:
$$\frac{\partial R}{\partial t'}=-c\frac{\vec\beta\cdot\vec R}R$$
Also, obviously:
$$\frac{\partial \vec R}{\partial t'}=-c\vec\beta$$
Substituting these two formulas in the above one:
$$\frac{\partial\mu}{\partial t'}=-c\frac{\vec\beta\cdot\vec R}R+c\beta^2-\vec R\cdot\dot{\vec\beta}$$
And finally:
$$\frac {\partial \vec A}{\partial t}=q\frac {\partial t'}{\partial t}\left(\frac1\mu\dot{\vec\beta}-\frac 1{\mu^2}\frac{\partial\mu}{\partial t'}\vec\beta\right)=$$
$$=q\frac R\mu\left(\frac 1 \mu\dot{\vec\beta}+\frac 1 {\mu^2}\left(c\frac{\vec\beta\cdot\vec R}R-c\beta^2+\vec R\cdot\dot{\vec\beta}\right)\vec\beta\right)=$$
$$=q\frac R{\mu^3}\left(\mu\dot{\vec\beta}+\left(c\frac{\vec\beta\cdot\vec R}R-c\beta^2+\vec R\cdot\dot{\vec\beta}\right)\vec\beta\right)$$
Using expression for ##\nabla\frac 1{\mu}##, electric field is:
$$\vec E=\frac q{{\mu}^3}\left((1-\beta^2)+\frac{\dot{\vec\beta}\cdot\vec R}c\right)\vec R-q\frac R{\mu^3}\left(\frac{\mu\dot{\vec\beta}}c+\left(\frac{\vec\beta\cdot\vec R}R-\beta^2+\frac{\vec R\cdot\dot{\vec\beta}}c\right)\vec\beta\right)=$$
$$=\frac q {\mu^3}\left((1-\beta^2)\vec R-R\left(\frac{\vec R\cdot\dot{\vec\beta}}R-\beta^2\right)\vec\beta\right)+\frac q {c\mu^3}\left((\dot{\vec\beta}\cdot R)\vec R-\mu R\dot{\vec\beta}-R(\dot{\vec\beta}\cdot R)\vec\beta\right)$$
The second part after simplification matches the second part of Lienard-Wiechert E-field equation, but the first slightly differs, and I can't find an error causing it. I'll appreciate any help with finding it.
 
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The first term has dimension of T^-1 though it should be non dimensional. You should investigate its derivation.
 
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Besides the error pointed out by @anuttarasammyak, check your work for the following:
GilSE said:
At first, I derived that:
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I get an additional term proportional to ##\vec{\beta}##. $$\nabla \frac 1{\mu}=-\frac 1{{\mu}^3}\left((1-\beta^2)+\frac{\dot{\vec\beta}\cdot\vec R}c\right)\vec R + \frac 1 {\mu^2} \vec{\beta}$$
GilSE said:
I assume this result is true because it gives valid result for magnetic field.
Verify that the additional term does not alter the result for the magnetic field.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
The first term has dimension of T^-1 though it should be non dimensional. You should investigate its derivation.
Unfortunately, must be a typo. In my handwritten notes there is no dot above beta in this term. But still thank you for your answer!
 
TSny said:
Besides the error pointed out by @anuttarasammyak, check your work for the following:

I get an additional term proportional to ##\vec{\beta}##. $$\nabla \frac 1{\mu}=-\frac 1{{\mu}^3}\left((1-\beta^2)+\frac{\dot{\vec\beta}\cdot\vec R}c\right)\vec R + \frac 1 {\mu^2} \vec{\beta}$$

Verify that the additional term does not alter the result for the magnetic field.
Thank you very much, with that additional term the result looks correct at last! I will be searching why I haven't obtained it when was calculating gradient.
 
GilSE said:
Thank you very much, with that additional term the result looks correct at last! I will be searching why I haven't obtained it when was calculating gradient.
Good. If you wish, you can post your work for ##\nabla \mu## and we can review it.
 

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