# Help with Discrete Sine Transform

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Hi,
I am a neophyte in Discrete Fourier Transform and I am procticing with discrete Sine-transform.
Specifically I want to calculate $$\mathcal{F}_s \lbrace x \cdot e^{-x^2} \rbrace = \int\limits_{0}^{\infty } x \cdot e^{-x^2} \cdot \sin\left(x\right)\, \mathrm{d}x = \frac{1}{2} \pi^2 \omega e^{- \frac{1}{4} \pi^2 \omega^2}$$
I am using the FFTw library and with a 64 points I get a very poor result. Can anybody please help to improve it?
This is my C++ code, plot and numerical data are attached.
Thank you very much in advance

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scottdave
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I don't see any attachments.
Your itex "command is not working as you intend to produce laTex. I think you should use double number-signs, before and after. I think this is what you want.
$$\mathcal{F}_s \lbrace x \cdot e^{-x^2} \rbrace = \int\limits_{0}^{\infty } x \cdot e^{-x^2} \cdot \sin\left(x\right)\, \mathrm{d}x = \frac{1}{2} \pi^2 \omega e^{- \frac{1}{4} \pi^2 \omega^2}$$

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Hello Scottdave,
thank you very much for your hint, my post looks definitely better now.
I hope that you can see the attachments now

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mathman

Hi mathman,
the original equation is $$f(x) = x \cdot e^{-x^2}$$ . Its analytical sine-transform is given by
$$\mathcal{F}_s \lbrace f(x) \rbrace (\omega) = \int\limits_{0}^{\infty } x \cdot e^{-x^2} \cdot \sin\left(x\right)\, \mathrm{d}x = \frac{1}{2} \pi^2 \omega e^{- \frac{1}{4} \pi^2 \omega^2}$$
I uploaded the plot again with a legend

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mathman
I presume the argument for the sin is ωx. I suspect that you need a finer mesh for the Fourier transform for small ω.

scottdave
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I presume the argument for the sin is ωx. I suspect that you need a finer mesh for the Fourier transform for small ω.
It has been awhile since I have done these, but I was kind of wondering how the ω just popped in when it is not in the integral.

Sorry for the typing error,of course the the correct argument $$\sin \left(\omega x \right)$$. The resolution is still poor even with 256 points Can anybody tell me where the deviation between 2.0 and 7.0 comes from? (please see attachments).

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I like Serena
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Hi kaniello,

There seems to be a bit of a mixup with factors pi.
W|A (link) reports the sine transform to be:
$$\mathscr F_s\{xe^{-x^2}\}(\omega) = \frac 1{2\sqrt 2}\omega e^{-\frac 14 \omega^2}$$
Of course we can have a different normalization constant than the one given, but not a different argument to the exponential function.

Anyway, if I do a discrete fourier transform on the data, I don't get the dip that you're seeing between 2 and 7.
So it appears there is something wrong with that FFTW routine that you're using.
Unfortunately I'm not familiar with it.

I do notice that the dip might be explained if the cosine transform somehow crept in - that one does have a dip between 2 and 7.
And I guess it might also be caused by a filter (window function) that is applied before applying the FFT.
Have you tried using an FFT routine from a different library?

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Dear I like Serena,

Which library did you use to perform the sine transform of ## xe^{-x^2} ## ? It would be really interesting to compare the results.

I do not apply any filter to my Input data but I will try to understand from the FFTw Website if it is somehow executed automatically

I like Serena
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You're welcome.
I didn't use any library - for a quick check I just used Excel's built in Fourier transform (one of the Data Analysis Tools).

scottdave