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The discussion revolves around the concept of energy-mass equivalence as expressed by the equation E=mc². Participants explore the relationship between mass, weight, and energy, addressing unit conversions and calculations. The scope includes conceptual clarification and mathematical reasoning related to physics principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the calculation of energy using E=mc², particularly regarding the units and the relationship between weight and mass.
  • Another participant corrects the first by stating that mass is calculated as weight divided by gravitational acceleration (w/g), not multiplied by it.
  • A third participant emphasizes the distinction between mass and weight, clarifying that mass is measured in kilograms while weight is a force measured in Newtons.
  • One participant attempts to calculate energy using their weight and expresses uncertainty about their result, questioning the correctness of their calculations.
  • Another participant provides a calculation example, asserting that 1 kg of mass converted to energy results in 9 x 10^16 Joules, highlighting the unit equivalence of Joules and kg m²/s².
  • Further clarification is offered regarding the correct interpretation of mass and weight, with emphasis on the importance of using appropriate units in calculations.
  • One participant confirms their understanding of mass and weight but still questions the accuracy of their energy calculation.
  • A final response provides a corrected calculation of energy, suggesting a different result than previously stated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distinction between mass and weight, but there are competing views on the correct application of these concepts in calculations, leading to unresolved discrepancies in the energy calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made in calculations, particularly concerning the use of weight in Newtons versus mass in kilograms, and the implications for energy calculations using E=mc².

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Of all things I'm concerned, this one should be the most confusing ever. I'll tell how...

E=mc2

That is, energy is an object's mass times the speed of light squared. Mass is w*g, and g is 9.81 for so long you're on Earth. Then, the speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s*299,792,458 m/s, which is 8.98755179*1016 m2/s2 (okay, this part is where I get confused. How much is 8.98755179*1016 m2/s2 then?)

So;

E=(wg)*(8.98755179*1016 m2/s2)

My second doubt is here. If wg would give a result in Newtons, then in what unit will the result would be if E=mc2?

Please give me an example. I'll give the values. The mass should be 335.564 N. Please show me how you calculate the rest.

Thanks.
 
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Mass is w*g, and g is 9.81 for so long you're on Earth.
No, mass is w/g, not w*g. If you have an object's weight in Newtons, then find its mass in kilograms using that formula.
 
I can't understand your first question, you are asking "how much is xxx", when you have directly quoted the amount. What other information do you want? This is like asking "how much is $1.50?".

For your second question I think you are getting very confused over units: mass is not measured in Newtons, force is. Mass is measured in kilograms, and is the measure of the amount of matter in an object. To clear things up here is a simple E = mc^2 example,

1kg of mass is converted into pure energy. How much is produced?

E = mc^2 = 1kg * (3*10^8 m/s)^2 = 9*10^16 kg m^2 / s^2.

Note that the units, kg m^2 / s^2 are identical to the Joule, J. There is no mention of forces in this question, and no need to express anything in Newtons.
 
All said and done, here's how I've understood it. That means...

My weight is 98.1 kilos. The g, of course, is 9.81. So...

E=[(\frac{98.1}{9.81}) x 89,875,517,900,000,000] j
E=890,875,517,900,000,000 joules

Doesn't seem to correct to me. After all, I'm just in the VIIth standard.
 
It's not correct. 98.1 kg is your mass, not your weight, so no need to divide by 9.81. (In everyday usage, it's also your "weight". But in physics weight is a force, measured in Newtons, given by mg.)
 
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Try to distinguish weight and mass. Mass is property of matter. In a empty space you would be weightless, but not massless. Weight is measure of how match force is acting on a object in gravitational field. Only on Earth for 1 kg of mass is customary to say that it has weight of 1 kg. In order to avoid confusion it is best that weight is expressed in Newtons. And Doc Al meant that mass is w/g if you express weight in Newtons. Anyway what are you trying to calculate?
 
All right. I got it. 98.1 kg is my mass. My weight is measured in the unit of kilogram weight. Like for example, 1 kilogram of mass equals 1 kilogram weight.

But is the equation correct? 890,875,517,900,000,000 joules?
 
mc² = 98.1*(3 x 108)² = 8.8 x 1018 J.
 

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