Help with high friction material choice

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around selecting high friction material combinations for an application involving two flat parts pressed together under force. Participants explore various material options, their properties, and the specific requirements of the application, including weight, rigidity, and wear resistance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using automotive clutch plate materials, particularly those designed for high horsepower transfer, as a potential high friction solution.
  • Another participant humorously proposes using industrial Velcro as a friction material, indicating its potential effectiveness.
  • A participant calculates the clamping force based on the specified area and pressure, noting that a friction coefficient of 0.5 would require a sliding force of 800 lbs to overcome the friction.
  • There are mentions of the need for interlocking grooves and slots in metal plates, with a requirement for repositioning that allows for some degree of movement (±2mm).
  • Participants discuss the limitations of the current setup using polycarbonate with sandpaper and rubber, indicating a desire for improvement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various suggestions and ideas, but there is no consensus on a specific material or approach. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best high friction material for the application.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the specific friction requirements or the conditions under which the materials will be used, leaving some assumptions unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in material science, engineering applications involving friction, or those seeking solutions for mechanical design challenges may find this discussion relevant.

DucemBarr
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Howdy!
Could anyone advise on some high friction material combination ? I can't disclose full details of the application, but basically two flat parts a pressed together and force is applied along the plane of the joint. The pieces are about 4 square in, the force applied about 100 psi Materials or coatings have to be reasonably light and rigid and wear resistant. I started playing with two pieces of polycarbonate one has 220 grit sand paper glued on the other has 1/32" rubber glued on works OK but could use improvement .
Any help beyond appreciated!
 
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Machine interlocking groves and slots in two metal plates.
 
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CWatters said:
Machine interlocking groves and slots in two metal plates.
Unfortunately plates cannot be indexed in one position. I have to be able to reposition them easily
 
Welcome to the PF. :smile:
DucemBarr said:
some high friction material combination
Have you looked at automotive clutch plate materials? Maybe drag racers use higher friction versions to handle the high horsepower transfer...
 
DucemBarr said:
Unfortunately plates cannot be indexed in one position. I have to be able to reposition them easily

Wouldn't be limited to one position but perhaps not an infinite number of positions. Perhaps any position +/- 2mm ? Perhaps too coarse?
 
I am only half joking...velcro? The industrial stuff is pretty cool.
 
How much friction do you need? You specified 16 square inches and 100 PSI, that's 1600 lbs of clamping force. A pad with a friction coefficient of 0.5 would not slide until the sliding force exceeded 0.5 X 1600 = 800 lbs. The sliding force would be less if the force was not applied in line with the center of the pad.

McMaster-Carr sells friction material in various sizes, thicknesses, and friction coefficients: https://www.mcmaster.com/brakes.
 
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