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The discussion revolves around proving properties of an integral involving Chebyshev polynomials, specifically the integral defined as I_n(r,z). The original poster presents a mathematical statement and attempts to demonstrate relationships between different instances of the integral.

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the integral using properties of Chebyshev polynomials and substitution methods. They express difficulty in proving certain relationships and seek assistance in resolving the remaining integrals. Other participants question the clarity of the original post and suggest formatting improvements for better readability.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the clarity of the original post and some offering tips on how to format mathematical expressions in LaTeX. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to solving the integral, and the original poster continues to seek help.

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Participants note the importance of proper formatting for mathematical expressions, indicating that clarity is essential for effective communication in the discussion. The original poster mentions specific constraints related to the values of r and z.

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Now in LaTeX hope it's ok (the preview sucks):

1. Homework Statement

given the integral

[tex]I_n(r,z)= \int_z^r \frac{T_n(\frac{p}{z})T_n(\frac{p}{r})}{p \sqrt{r^2-p^2} \sqrt{p^2-z^2}} dp[/tex]

where [tex]T_n(x)[/tex] is the chebyshev polynomial of the first kind:
[tex]T_n(x) = 2 x T_{n-1}(x) - T_{n-2}(x)[/tex]
[tex]T_0(x)=1[/tex]
[tex]T_1(x)=x[/tex]

Important detail -> [tex]0 < z < r < 1[/tex]

prove that:
[tex]I_{n+1} = I_{n-1}[/tex]
and
[tex]I_0 = I_1 = \frac{\pi}{2}[/tex]3. The Attempt at a Solution

[tex]I_0 = I_1 = \frac{\pi}{2}[/tex] is relatively simple. I just changed variables [tex]y= p^2[/tex] and let Mathematica do the rest.

The other proof if giving me a hard time.

Substituting the [tex]T_n(x) = 2 x T_{n-1}(x)- T_{n-2}(x)[/tex], I got:

[tex]I_{n+1}(r,z) = \int_z^r \frac{4p T_n(\frac{p}{z}) T_n(\frac{p}{r})} {\sqrt{r^2-p^2} \sqrt{p^2-z^2}} dp -[/tex]

[tex]- \int_z^r \frac{2r T_n(\frac{p}{z})T_{n-1}(\frac{p}{r})}{\sqrt{r^2-p^2} \sqrt{p^2-z^2}} dp -[/tex]

[tex]- \int_z^r\frac{2z T_{n-1}(\frac{p}{z}) T_n(\frac{p}{r})}{\sqrt{r^2-p^2} \sqrt{p^2-z^2}} dp + I_{n-1}(r,z)[/tex]

Now, the remainder integrals should be zero, but I can't figure out how to get there.
If it helps, I've found this relation:
[tex]xT_n(x) = \frac{1}{2}(T_{n+1}(x) + T_{n-1}(x))[/tex]

Any help will be very welcome!
 
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This is extremely hard to read. Could you write in Latex?
 
Defennnder said:
This is extremely hard to read. Could you write in Latex?
I could, but I need to know how to add latex code here.
 
There is a [tex]\sum[/tex] symbol in the tool bar above the reply box. Click on this and a latex reference should appear :)
 
I just noticed that [tex]T_n(x) = 2 x T_{n-1}(x) - T_{n-2}(x)[/tex] is just the same as
[tex]xT_n(x) = \frac{1}{2}(T_{n+1}(x) + T_{n-1}(x))[/tex]

:(
 
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Pomico said:
There is a [tex]\sum[/tex] symbol in the tool bar above the reply box. Click on this and a latex reference should appear :)

thanks man!
 
no ideas? :(
 

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