Help with Part C: Horizontal Force for Moving Two Trunks

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the application of horizontal force to move two trunks across a surface with friction. The subject area includes concepts of kinetic friction and forces in motion.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration, particularly in the context of moving objects at constant velocity. Questions arise regarding how the coefficient of friction changes with added weight and the implications for the required horizontal force.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the assumptions behind the need for force at constant velocity and exploring the effects of increased weight on the coefficient of friction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the role of friction in this context, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to part c.

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Participants note potential errors in calculations and assumptions, particularly regarding the coefficient of friction and the impact of additional weight on the system. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between normal force and friction in the context of the problem.

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help with part c??

A worker of a moving company places a 252 kg trunk on a piece of carpeting and slides it across the floor at constant velocity by exerting a horizontal force of 425 N on the trunk.

a) what is the coeffient of kinetic friction

Fn = mg
= 252 kg x 9.8 N/kg
= 2469.6 N

kinetic coefficient equals 425 N/2469.6 N = 0.17

b) what happens to the coefficient of kinetic friction if another 56 kg trunk is splaced on top of the 252 kg trunk?

Fn = mg
=(308 kg) (9.8 N/kg)
=3018.4

kinetic coefficient equals 425 N/3018.4 N = 0.14

c) what horizontal force must the mover apply to move the combination of the two trunks at constant velocity

the answer is 5.2 x 10^2 N any help would be appreciated as to how to solve c
thank-you
 
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what horizontal force must the mover apply to move the combination of the two trunks at constant velocity


force is not being applied to an object moving an constant velocity or sitting "still"...

force = mass x acceleration...

I don't see how you'd need a force to move an object at a constant velocity
 


You need a force because, although moving at constant velocity, there is a coefficient of friction that has to be overcome.

Also, please don't post a question twice.

The Bob
 


In b) can you explain how the coefficient of friction would change with more weight?
 


i am not sure other than i added 56 kg (i had made an error and written 5 earlier)
 


is b correct?
 


phy_ said:
i am not sure other than i added 56 kg (i had made an error and written 5 earlier)

If it has a coefficient of friction from a), what is the coefficient of friction?

Moving force/Normal force ?

Isn't it constant? If you change the normal force doesn't the moving force need to be bigger?

Isn't that what c) is about?
 

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