Help with total work done by friction problem

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total work done by friction on a block sliding down a plank. The problem involves concepts of potential energy, frictional force, and the relationship between forces and work in a physics context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between frictional force and the normal force, with some attempting to derive expressions for work done by friction. Questions arise regarding the correct expression for the friction force and how to incorporate height into the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have provided hints and guidance on resolving forces and drawing diagrams, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the relationship between the block's weight, the normal force, and the angle of inclination of the ramp. There are indications of confusion regarding the components of forces involved in the scenario.

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Homework Statement


A Block of mass (m) slides down a plank of length (s) from a height (h) down to the ground. The friction between the plank and the block is uk. Derive and expression for the total work done by the force of friction done by force of friction on the block


Homework Equations


W=Fd
F=W/d
d=W/F
Wtotal=1/2 mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution


at top PE = M=mgh
honestly I've been staring at this damn problem for a half an hour and that's all I've got, any help would be very appreciated
 
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Work equals force times distance. Can you figure out what the magnitude of the friction force on the block is?
 
ok, so mg(mk) is the magnitude of the friction force
so w = mg(mk) * s?
 
i mean mg (uk)
 
Careful. The friction force is equal to the normal force times uk. Is the normal force on the block equal to its weight in this situation?
 
ok, so F of friction is equal to sin (theta) x uk x mg?
 
ok so this is what I've worked out so far

W= F x D
D= -SF=uk x m x g


but i don't think that's right, i can't figure out how to incorporate the height, nor do i know how to get the normal force
 
Draw a diagram. Resolve the block's weight into two components, one in the direction parallel to the ramp, and one in the direction perpendicular to the ramp. The normal force is equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to this perpendicular component of the block's weight (we know this because there is no acceleration in the direction perpendicular to the ramp).

Once you have your diagram, you will be able to see that the angle between the total weight vector and its perpendicular component is the same as the angle of inclination of the ramp.

Hint: In your second last post, sin(theta) is not correct.
 

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