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The discussion revolves around calculating the effective multiplication factor (keff) and total fission produced during a critical accident in a cylindrical model. Participants explore methods for these calculations, particularly in the context of using MCNP 5 software and specific materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions calculating keff using MCNP 5 but expresses uncertainty about calculating total fission produced.
  • Another participant suggests taking fuel depletion in atoms as a method for calculating total fission.
  • A different participant proposes that total fission could be calculated as the integral of Ʃf and neutron flux over volume and time, assuming a Gaussian pulse and prompt neutron flux.
  • There is a request for clarification on Ʃf, particularly in relation to thermal neutrons and fission caused by U235.
  • Participants discuss the initial form of the material (solid metal, ceramic, or aqueous solution) and its impact on reactivity estimation from keff-1.
  • One participant provides the formula for Ʃf as NU235 * σf, where N is the atomic density of the material.
  • Another participant inquires about finding σf for a specific solution (UO2(NO3)2 . 6 H2O) and is directed to resources for cross-section data.
  • It is noted that there will be no delayed neutrons in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and approaches for calculating total fission and keff, but there is no consensus on a single method or resolution of uncertainties related to the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention dependencies on specific definitions and the need for clarity on certain variables, such as σf, without resolving these uncertainties.

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hi every body, I'm working and calculating the keff, and total

hi every body, I'm working and calculating the keff, and total fission produced in critical accident in the cylindrical model. If critical mass is roached.
I calculated variable multiply coefficient (keff) by MCNP 5.
also total fission produced i don't know how to calculate this variable,
I really need your help.
thanks you very much for your help.
 
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tiepngh said:
hi every body, I'm working and calculating the keff, and total fission produced in critical accident in the cylindrical model. If critical mass is roached.
I calculated variable multiply coefficient (keff) by MCNP 5.
also total fission produced i don't know how to calculate this variable,
I really need your help.
thanks you very much for your help.

Well, you could just take the fuel depletion in atoms...
 


tiepngh said:
hi every body, I'm working and calculating the keff, and total fission produced in critical accident in the cylindrical model. If critical mass is roached.
I calculated variable multiply coefficient (keff) by MCNP 5.
also total fission produced i don't know how to calculate this variable,
I really need your help.
thanks you very much for your help.
Total fission would be the integral of Ʃf and flux ∅(x) over the volume and time. One could reasonably assume a Gaussian pulse and mostly a prompt neutron flux.
 


Astronuc said:
Total fission would be the integral of Ʃf and flux ∅(x) over the volume and time. One could reasonably assume a Gaussian pulse and mostly a prompt neutron flux.
thanks for your answer,
and could you show me about Ʃf clearly, eg i want to calculate with thermal neutron(E < 6.625e-7 MeV), and fission cause of U235. how is Ʃf?
Thanks you !
 


tiepngh said:
thanks for your answer,
and could you show me about Ʃf clearly, eg i want to calculate with thermal neutron(E < 6.625e-7 MeV), and fission cause of U235. how is Ʃf?
Thanks you !
What is the initial form of the material? Solid metal, ceramic, or a aqueous solution? One can estimate the reactivity from keff-1.

Ʃf = NU235 * σf

and N is the atomic density of the material.
 


Astronuc said:
What is the initial form of the material? Solid metal, ceramic, or a aqueous solution? One can estimate the reactivity from keff-1.

Ʃf = NU235 * σf

and N is the atomic density of the material.
Thanks you very much, i have calculate critical model with solution material, one things i don't know that σf, and could you show me how to find it?
Solution : UO2(NO3)2 . 6 H2O.
 


tiepngh said:
Thanks you very much, i have calculate critical model with solution material, one things i don't know that σf, and could you show me how to find it?
Solution : UO2(NO3)2 . 6 H2O.
I would expect it is in a library of cross-sections in MCNP 5.

Otherwise, http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/sigma/index.jsp?as=235&lib=endfb7.1&nsub=10 - and find (n,total fission).

There will be no delayed neutrons.
 

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