Higgs boson interactions and gravitons

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The discussion revolves around the interactions of the Higgs boson, particularly its self-interaction and its relationship with other particles, including the hypothetical graviton. Participants explore the implications of the Higgs field in mass generation and the nature of graviton interactions, touching on concepts from quantum field theory (QFT).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the Higgs boson can interact with itself and whether it forms a loop with other Higgs bosons while maintaining its mass.
  • Another participant clarifies that it is the Higgs field, not the Higgs particle itself, that gives mass to other particles, suggesting a common confusion in terminology.
  • A participant notes that the concept of gravitons is speculative, as gravity has not been properly quantized, and the coupling of gravitons to matter fields remains uncertain.
  • It is mentioned that many particles in QFT self-interact, including the Higgs boson, and that this self-interaction is typical for elementary particles.
  • There is a discussion about the electron's mass being determined by its interaction with the Higgs field, with some participants debating the role of electron-positron pairs in this context.
  • One participant proposes that the graviton field could be related to gauge fields of coordinate transformations, although the connection to gravity is questioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of Higgs boson interactions and the role of gravitons, with no consensus reached on these topics. The discussion includes both clarifications and challenges to earlier claims, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of graviton interactions and the specifics of self-interaction in QFT. The discussion also highlights potential misconceptions about the relationship between particles and their mass generation mechanisms.

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How is it possible that the Higgs boson interacts with itself?
Now that it is almost certainly discovered, how can a particle that gives mass to other particles, give mass to itself? Does it make a 'loop' with other Higgs bosons?

How can the Higgs boson interact with other particles in such a way that it does not lose its own mass? Or does it?

Must a Higgs boson interact with a particle before a hypothetical graviton can? Or does a graviton acts more like a photon, like a graviton gets released whenever a particle has mass?

Thanks in advance for answering my questions, if any threads have been made already about the same questions, feel free to redirect me to that part of the forum.
 
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Anything to do with graviton has to be said tongue-in-cheek. Gravity has not been properly quantized. All of the quantizations that yield gravitons do not agree with observation. How a graviton, if it exists, would couple to matter fields remains a mystery.

That said, many particles in QFT self-interact. Some directly, some via other fields. Part of electron's mass is going to be due to electromagnetic interaction with electron-positron pairs that pop in and out of vacuum. Self interaction of Higgs boson is nothing new. It's the norm for elementary particles.
 
How a graviton, if it exists, would couple to matter fields remains a mystery.
It couples to the not-so-mysterious stress-energy tensor.
many particles in QFT self-interact.
Very few types of particles self-interact. Only the Higgs boson and gluons (and presumably the graviton.)
Part of electron's mass is going to be due to electromagnetic interaction with electron-positron pairs that pop in and out of vacuum.
The electron's mass is determined entirely by its interaction with the Higgs field. The electron does not interact with "electron-positron pairs", only with photons, W and Z (and presumably the graviton). Electron-positron pairs do not "pop in and out of vacuum."
 
Bill_K said:
It couples to the not-so-mysterious stress-energy tensor.
Which would make graviton field the gauge field of coordinate transformations, since stress-energy tensor is the conserved charge of these transformations. I am yet to see anyone manage to successfully demonstrate that these have anything to do with gravity. Other than obviously coupling to stress-energy tensor.

Bill_K said:
Very few types of particles self-interact. Only the Higgs boson and gluons (and presumably the graviton.)
Pardon the slip. I was thinking of self-energy.

Bill_K said:
The electron's mass is determined entirely by its interaction with the Higgs field. The electron does not interact with "electron-positron pairs", only with photons, W and Z (and presumably the graviton). Electron-positron pairs do not "pop in and out of vacuum."
Why don't you draw me a few diagrams for electron propagator that are 4th order in gem. I'd like to see how many you manage before you have to resort to an ep pair.
 

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