High Energy Electron- Proton Collison

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the theoretical implications and outcomes of high-energy collisions between electrons and protons, specifically at kinetic energies of 1 TeV. Participants explore particle production, conservation laws, and the behavior of baryons under extreme conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that at 2 TeV of energy, the type of particles involved in the collision becomes less significant, leading to a wide variety of particle production.
  • Another participant asserts that conservation laws, such as energy, baryon number, and lepton number, must be considered in the collision outcomes.
  • A participant proposes that at least one outgoing electron or electron-neutrino is expected due to interactions via photon or Z0 exchange, or conversion via W exchange.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of creating particles with charges greater than +1 or -1, questioning the feasibility of high-energy interactions leading to unusual baryon formations.
  • Participants reference the existence of baryons with charges of +2 or -2, prompting questions about how these particles maintain stability despite color charge considerations.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the binding mechanisms of baryons and how they adhere to the principles of quantum chromodynamics (QCD) when involving particles with unusual charge configurations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of conservation laws in high-energy collisions, with some downplaying their significance while others emphasize their importance. The discussion on baryon stability and color charge also reveals a lack of consensus on how these principles apply to high-energy scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various conservation laws and theoretical frameworks without reaching a definitive conclusion on their implications in the context of high-energy collisions. The discussion includes assumptions about particle interactions and the nature of baryons that remain unresolved.

TWest
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I was wondering What would happen if one was to smash a High Energy Electron with a High Energy Proton let's say they both have a kinetic energy of 1 Tev.
 
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TWest, At such a high energy it doesn't matter much what you start with, all that matters is that you suddenly have 2 TeV's of energy. What this produces is pretty much independent of whether you're colliding electrons, protons, etc. You'll get a shower of every kind of particle you can name. If you think some kind of conservation law comes into play, forget it, all it takes is one photon to initiate the shower of debris.
 
I think one thing you can be sure of is getting at least one outgoing electron or electron-neutrino. It seems to me that the incoming electron has to either be scattered by interacting with something via photon or Z0 exchange, or be converted to an electron-neutrino via W exchange.
 
Bill_K said:
If you think some kind of conservation law comes into play, forget it, all it takes is one photon to initiate the shower of debris.

WHAT? Surely you are joking. As Jtbell has already stated (albeit in a round about way) you are going to have a bunch of applicable conservation laws. Energy, baryon number, and lepton number will be conserved of course.
 
Well, I was trying to figure this out because usually most particles are either 1/3, 2/3,1 Ec and since electrons are captured electron capture decay and Beta positive decay maybe it would be possible to force a piece of matter to pick up more than +1 or -1 ec like a proton that had 2+ Ec. Is that even possible to have a protonish particle with 2+ Ec cause I know that tauons and muons are basically electrons of higher mass could the charge be forced to do more or less the same thing? For Instance, What if the triple was formed with UUU or UTU. I realize that they strong nuclear force would never attempt these but could they be forced to bond with high energies?
 
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Oh...well now I feel stupid. Okay How do they hold together I always believed that their Color charge had to even out. If this is the case then how do they hold together?
 
TWest said:
Oh...well now I feel stupid. Okay How do they hold together I always believed that their Color charge had to even out. If this is the case then how do they hold together?

Could you elaborate a little more?
 
I mean I always believed that the strong nuclear force that held atoms and sub atomic particles together such as a proton or in this case the SCC or omega++ together had to be balanced isn't there a color charge system that the SNF obeys in a triplet? How does it bind something a electric charge greater than 1+ Ec.
 
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The color force IS the strong force.
 
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I realize this Just as Electric charge's Forces are Electric and magnetic Forces and Energy's force is gravity in EFE or mass In Newtonian mechanics. My question is why does it bind these odd particles together? I thought this went against the laws of QCD I was hoping that you could explain this. I was under the impression that baryons had to be balanced with red green and blue color charges in order to form a SN bond between 3 quarks.
 
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