High Energy Gamma Rays: Interaction w/ Matter

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interaction of high energy gamma rays (greater than 100 MeV) with matter, particularly in the context of gamma rays from cosmic sources such as gamma ray bursts. Participants explore various references and data sources related to photon interaction cross sections, as well as the physical processes involved in these interactions.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks online references for high energy gamma ray interactions with matter, distinguishing them from low energy nuclear radiation.
  • Another participant suggests the NIST website as a resource for photon interaction cross sections, although they note it primarily covers lower energy gamma rays.
  • Further references are provided, including links to the Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope and related astrophysics conferences, which may contain relevant papers.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the availability of detailed studies on high energy gamma ray interactions, speculating that principal reactions may include Compton scattering and pair production.
  • One participant corrects a previous claim about the NIST data, stating that it includes a web program called XCOM for energies between 1 keV and 100 GeV, which can provide relevant data.
  • Another participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the NIST data and thanks the contributor for clarifying the available references.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for pair production to yield various particle pairs at high energies, and the possibility of photo-neutron interactions in certain elements.
  • One participant describes the electromagnetic cascade resulting from pair production and provides details about the composition of the cascade and the associated radiation lengths in air.
  • Another participant mentions their laboratory's method for generating high energy gamma rays through coherent bremsstrahlung in a crystal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the availability and applicability of existing data for high energy gamma ray interactions. While some agree on the significance of pair production and Compton scattering, there is no consensus on the completeness of the available references or the specifics of the interactions at high energies.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in the existing data, particularly regarding the extrapolation of NIST data above 100 MeV and the lack of detailed studies on high energy gamma ray interactions. There are also mentions of specific energy thresholds for certain reactions, indicating a need for further investigation.

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Is there any on-line reference which describes the interaction of high energy (> 100 Mev) gamma rays with matter. These are gamma rays from gamma ray bursts, etc. in contrast to low energy from nuclear radiation.
 
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I am not sure what you are looking for, but the NIST website has a bunch of databases of photon interaction cross sections with elemental targets and compounds.

http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/contents-xray.html
 
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The nist data is for nuclear radiation gamma rays (up to about 10 Mev). It does not have anything for 100 Mev and higher.

The Astronuc references describe the sources of these (cosmic origin) gamma rays, but not the interactions, such as the nist data for the nuclear radiation.

Mt gut feeling is that no one has worked it out in detail. I suspect the principal reactions are Compton scattering and pair production. The main difference from nuclear radiation is that the pair production might give pairs other than electron-positron, since there is much more energy available.
 
mathman said:
The nist data is for nuclear radiation gamma rays (up to about 10 Mev). It does not have anything for 100 Mev and higher.

This is incorrect.

From the NIST website:
NIST said:
This paper describes a web program called XCOM which carries out this task quickly for any element, compound or mixture, at energies between 1 keV and 100 GeV.

You can run the XCOM software through your browser and get both text data and plots.

In addition, in the link I posted it has the bibliography of photon attenuation experiments. The energy range covered is from 10 eV to 13.5 GeV.
 
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You're right. I looked at it too quickly. Most of the references are for nuclear energy gamma rays, which I was already aware of. I missed the references you cited. Thank you.
 
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mathman said:
The nist data is for nuclear radiation gamma rays (up to about 10 Mev). It does not have anything for 100 Mev and higher.

The Astronuc references describe the sources of these (cosmic origin) gamma rays, but not the interactions, such as the nist data for the nuclear radiation.

Mt gut feeling is that no one has worked it out in detail. I suspect the principal reactions are Compton scattering and pair production. The main difference from nuclear radiation is that the pair production might give pairs other than electron-positron, since there is much more energy available.
I looked at the NIST data, and it seemed that they were extrapolating much above 100 MeV. I'm not sure how they get 1 GeV (and greater) gammas, but I'll have to look closer.

I know the papers/sources didn't elaborate on the interactions, but I figured one could contact the authors who would hopefully know the interactions or someone who does, or at least where one can find such a discussion.

I believe Compton and pair-production are the reactions, and I think I saw one mention of muon pair-production - at very high energies of course (> 2(105.7 MeV) = 211.4 MeV).

Of course, there could be photo-neutron interactions as well, e.g. photo-disintegration of deuterons.
 
You all are correct. The most dominant effect is pair production, which begets more pairs, etc., called an electromagnetic cascade. Compton scattering dominates below about 10 MeV, but pair production dominates above say 20 MeV. The maximum of the electromagnetic cascade is usually several radiation lengths from the start, and trails off after maybe 15 radiation lengths. The shower is roughly half photons and half electrons. Positrons can annihilate in flight and produce two more gammas.The radiation length in air is about 37.15 grams per cm^3.
In addition, there are two photo-neutron reactions in nitrogen and oxygen; (gamm,n) in nitrogen leads to a free neutron and N^13, and (gamma,n) in oxygen leads to a free neutron and O^15. These reactions peak at about 12-15 MeV with a cross section of roughly 15 barns. The threshold may be about 6 or 8 MeV.
 
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I looked at the NIST data, and it seemed that they were extrapolating much above 100 MeV. I'm not sure how they get 1 GeV (and greater) gammas, but I'll have to look closer.
At the lab we get them from coherent bremsstrahlung in a crystal, and bending out the electrons. Coherent gammas come in sharp peak, and they can also be polarized.
 

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