Higher order partial derivatives

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The discussion revolves around solving a partial differential equation involving higher order partial derivatives, specifically focusing on the substitution of variables to express them in terms of new variables s and t. The original poster attempts to derive s and t as functions of x and y.

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  • Participants discuss the relationships between the variables, with some attempting to manipulate equations to express s and t in terms of x and y. Questions arise regarding the methods used to combine equations and the steps necessary to reach the desired expressions.

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There is active engagement with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem. Some participants clarify the steps needed to derive the expressions for s and t, while others express confusion about the transformations involved. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the mathematical reasoning.

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Participants note that the focus is solely on part (a) of the problem, indicating that there may be additional parts to consider later. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the correct relationships between the variables are maintained throughout the discussion.

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Consider the partial di erential equation, (y4-x2)uxx - 2xyuxy - y2uyy = 1. We will make the substitution x = s2 - t2 and y = s - t, to simplify

(a) Solve for s and t as functions of x and y

the farthest point i got to was
x = s^2 - t^2 = (s+t)(s-t) = y(s+t)
y = s - t
s+t = x/y

i don't know what to do after that.. i have the solution, but i have no idea how to get to it.
the solution is
s = x + y^2 / 2y
t = x - y^2 / 2x
 
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Hi magnifik! :smile:

No, you're mssing the point …

that isn't the solution, it's just writing s and t in terms of x and y …

s+t = x/y, s-t = y, so 2s = x/y + y = (x + y2)/y, 2t = (x - y2)/y.

To get the solution, you need to find uss ust and utt (and I expect ust will be zero, which will make the solution fairly easy :wink:).
 
errr.. i meant the solution for part a, which was putting x and y in terms of s and t. thanks!
 
but i don't understand how you got from s+t = x/y, s-t = y to 2s and 2t...how did you combine the previous two equations to get that?
 
Excuse me, tiny-tim, but the only question asked was "(a) Solve for s and t as functions of x and y".

Presumably, there is a "b" but so far all we want to do is solve for s and t.

magnifik, you have [itex]x= s^2- t^2[/itex] and [itex]y= s- t[/itex].

From [itex]y= s- t[/itex] you can say that [itex]s= y+ t[/itex] and, putting that into [itex]x=s^2- t^2[/itex], [itex]x= y^2+2yt+ t^2- t^2= y^2+ 2yt[/itex]. Solve that equation for t, then replace t by that expression in [itex]s= y+ t[/itex].
 
HallsofIvy said:
Excuse me, tiny-tim, but the only question asked was "(a) Solve for s and t as functions of x and y".

Presumably, there is a "b" but so far all we want to do is solve for s and t.

magnifik, you have [itex]x= s^2- t^2[/itex] and [itex]y= s- t[/itex].

From [itex]y= s- t[/itex] you can say that [itex]s= y+ t[/itex] and, putting that into [itex]x=s^2- t^2[/itex], [itex]x= y^2+2yt+ t^2- t^2= y^2+ 2yt[/itex]. Solve that equation for t, then replace t by that expression in [itex]s= y+ t[/itex].


THANK YOU! makes so much sense now :)
 
magnifik said:
but i don't understand how you got from s+t = x/y, s-t = y to 2s and 2t...how did you combine the previous two equations to get that?

erm :redface: … I added, and subtracted!

Add s+t to s-t, you get 2s; subtract, you get 2t …

this is a common transformation, and you should be familiar with it. :wink:
 

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