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The discussion revolves around a problem concerning the condition number of a linear system represented by the equations \(19x_1+20x_2=b_1\) and \(20x_1+21x_2=b_2\). Participants explore whether the condition number computed for the coefficient matrix is sufficient to assess the system's sensitivity to perturbations in the right-hand side constants \(b_1\) and \(b_2\).

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the second part of the problem requires introducing a perturbation \(\delta\) into the right-hand side constants or if computing the condition number alone suffices to conjecture about the system's conditioning.
  • Another participant suggests that the second part is asking about the sensitivity of the condition number to changes in \(b_1\) and \(b_2\), and questions whether the condition number changes significantly with small adjustments to the right-hand sides.
  • A participant reports calculating the condition number as 1601, derived from the norms of the matrix \(A\) and its inverse, both of which they state are 41.
  • There is a query regarding the formula used to compute the norm of matrix \(A\) and whether the Euclidean norm was applied.
  • Another participant describes using a different norm for the matrix, specifically a maximum row sum norm.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the computed condition number is sufficient for assessing the system's conditioning with respect to perturbations in the right-hand side constants. There are differing views on the necessity of introducing additional variables or perturbations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the condition number in relation to the perturbations of the right-hand side constants, and there are varying interpretations of the norms used in the calculations.

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I would like to know if the second part of this question is asking something different.

**Problem:** Consider the linear system $19x_1+20x_2=b_1, 20x_1+21x_2=b_2$. Compute the condition number of the coefficient matrix. Is the system well-conditioned with respect to perturbations of the right-handside constants ${b_1,b_2}$?

Do I need to introduce a $\delta$ into the right-handside, or is computing the coefficient number enough to conjecture about the condition of the right-handside constants?

Thanks.
 
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The second part of the problem as asking if the condition number you just computed is highly dependent on $b_{1}$ and $b_{2}$. What happens if you change the RHS's just a little? Does the condition number change a lot when you do that? I don't think you need to introduce another variable, at least not yet. What do you get for the condition number? And how are you computing it?
 
I get 1601 = 41*41 for the condition number, and I got it by computing the norm of the matrix A and the norm of the matrix A^(-1), an then multiplying them together. The norms of the matrices are both 41.

Isn't this enough for the purposes of this problem?
 
Did you use the formula
$$\|A\|= \max \{ \|Ax \|:x \in \mathbb{R}^{2}, \|x \|=1 \}?$$
If so, what vector norm did you use? Euclidean?
 
I used the following norm:

$$\|A_{n\mathbb x n}|=\max_{1\leq i \leq n}\sum_{j=1}^{n}\|a_{ij}\|$$
 

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