Holographic Principle Projection

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Holographic Principle, exploring its implications in both theoretical and cosmological contexts. Participants express curiosity about how the principle manifests in three-dimensional perceptions and the relationship between internal and external spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the Holographic Principle as suggesting that the total content of a space is proportional to its surrounding area rather than its volume.
  • One participant likens the principle to how holograms work, where each part contains the entire image in three dimensions, but acknowledges the limitations of this analogy for those not versed in math or physics.
  • Another participant provides a practical anecdote about an artist's experience with capturing depth in paintings, suggesting that certain methods yield more lifelike results.
  • Multiple participants discuss the cosmological interpretation of the Holographic Principle, suggesting that one can infer information about a higher-dimensional space by observing a lower-dimensional boundary.
  • There is a question raised about the nature of the connection between internal events (like biting an apple) and external observations (like what is seen on the wall), with one participant proposing that internal space is projected onto the surface as a one-way transformation.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the coherence of electromagnetic radiation used in observations and whether it aligns with the Holographic Principle's implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of the Holographic Principle, particularly in its application to cosmology and the nature of connections between internal and external spaces. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the specifics of these interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and the complexity of the concepts discussed, particularly regarding the mathematical and physical underpinnings of the Holographic Principle.

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Hi. I have a question about the Holographic Principle. I've been looking up things about it for a while now, and I think I understand it. The total content of a space is propositional to the area surrounding it and not the volume. The thing I'm having trouble with is how everything seems 3d. I'm going to assume we are not a projection of light (right?), so how does the "projection" work?

I'm not that good with math or physics so please keep it simple. Thanks.
 
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Unfortunately this is not something to be explained in terms of something anyone not good at maths or physics will likely be familiar with so it is unlikely anyone can help you much except in a shallow way. I could say it is like how each part of a hologram contains the entire picture in 3D? That help?
 
The simplest hologram is what you get from the two slits experiment. The two slits produce a set of interference fringes. If you 'develop' that pattern on film and shine light through the fringe pattern, an image of two slits will be formed.
To make a hologram, an object is illuminated with a laser (you need good, coherent light for this to work) and you also use a 'reference beam', with a half silvered mirror. The hologram is the (much more complex) interference pattern formed on a film, placed near the object. The light falling on anyone part of the film is due to the interference of light from all parts of the object (not' behind it', of course). Each part of the film sees a different view of the object so the interference pattern is different on different places on the film. Shining light on the developed image of the interference pattern will produce an interference pattern that is different in each direction. This interference pattern is a reconstructed view of the original object - seen from that direction. So, as you move your head / use binocular vision, you will see a different view of the original object. That looks like a 3D image.

However, you don't get 'something for nothing'. The image you see will be coarser than the detail of the original object; it is a approximate view - not as good as if you used film (many different images) to record the object from many directions.
 
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This is just an anecdote of a simple and practical application of this principle that some may find interesting, especially with how our brains deal with interference patterns.

I met an artist in Western Colorado who for many years painted mountain scenes by sitting for many hours "out in it". As she grew older this became more difficult plus mountain weather can change very rapidly, sometimes to interesting lighting effects, but often, debilitating.

She began taking photos and painting from those. This didn't work well. She describes those painting attempts as "flat". She tried higher resolutions and still had unsatisfactory results. Then she bought a Stereo Camera, one with two lenses that approximates the distance between our eyes, taking two simultaneous photos that are later viewed through a Stereoscope. This, according to her, and actually I could see the difference too, gave satisfactory, lifelike results with depth.
 
If you are talking about cosmology, the holographic principle refers to the ability to find out what is happening in a room by looking at what happens on the walls. So it's a dimensional thing, by looking at something in say a 4D space you can infer what's happening in the 5D space.
 
cosmik debris said:
If you are talking about cosmology, the holographic principle refers to the ability to find out what is happening in a room by looking at what happens on the walls. So it's a dimensional thing, by looking at something in say a 4D space you can infer what's happening in the 5D space.

Is that not an entirely different use of the term? The EM radiation with which we observe space is not coherent.
 
cosmik debris said:
If you are talking about cosmology, the holographic principle refers to the ability to find out what is happening in a room by looking at what happens on the walls. So it's a dimensional thing, by looking at something in say a 4D space you can infer what's happening in the 5D space.

Yes, this is what I'm talking about. What I want to know is how they "connect" to each other.

For example, if I bite an apple, you can tell by just looking at what's going on on the wall. My question is how does the wall know I bit the apple on the inside space? Is there some kind of connection between the inside and wall, or does the same information exist both on the wall and on the inside?
 
sophiecentaur said:
Is that not an entirely different use of the term? The EM radiation with which we observe space is not coherent.

Yeah, not sure. I assumed the OP was talking about the cosmological holographic principle but mixing up a couple of ideas.
 
incompetence said:
Yes, this is what I'm talking about. What I want to know is how they "connect" to each other.

For example, if I bite an apple, you can tell by just looking at what's going on on the wall. My question is how does the wall know I bit the apple on the inside space? Is there some kind of connection between the inside and wall, or does the same information exist both on the wall and on the inside?

I think, and I am out of my depth here, that the internal space is projected on to the surface and therefore it is a one way transformation, an observation, a shadow if you like. Like looking through a keyhole, does the room know you are looking?
 

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