Home experiment - annhialation

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The discussion revolves around a home experiment purportedly demonstrating particle annihilation, involving radioactive materials and a liquid medium that produces visible light. Participants explore the feasibility and details of such an experiment, including references to cloud chambers and liquid scintillation techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the experiment may involve a "cloud chamber," but expresses uncertainty.
  • Another participant argues that the particles are not annihilating but rather decomposing, producing energy in a cloud chamber.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that the visible tracks in a cloud chamber are due to vapor condensation from ionizing radiation.
  • Some participants propose that the experiment could relate to liquid scintillation, noting that it typically counts beta and alpha emitters rather than demonstrating annihilation.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of performing such an experiment at home, particularly regarding the availability of materials and the required conditions to observe scintillation light.
  • One participant recalls an old physics book describing a similar experiment involving mildly radioactive paint, suggesting that it produced visible "sparks" when mixed with a liquid, although they cannot recall the specifics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the particles involved and the validity of the proposed experiment. There is no consensus on whether the experiment demonstrates annihilation or other processes, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to the availability of radioactive materials and the safety concerns associated with them. There are also references to outdated practices and materials that are no longer accessible or safe for home experimentation.

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I read once that there is a home experiment that let's you see particles annhialating. I think it has to do with putting some radioactive material in a jar with a liquid and the you see little blinks of light? I don't remember any of the details or anything. Were can I find more information about this? Or could someone tell me how to do it?
Thanks.
 
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I believe that you may be referring to a "cloud chamber", but not sure.
 
But the particles aren't annihilating, they're just decomposing to give off energy in a cloud chamber.
 
joyful55 said:
But the particles aren't annihilating, they're just decomposing to give off energy in a cloud chamber.

Huh? The visible track is the condensation of vapor in the path of ionizing radiation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_chamber.
 
daniel_i_l said:
I read once that there is a home experiment that let's you see particles annhialating. I think it has to do with putting some radioactive material in a jar with a liquid and the you see little blinks of light? I don't remember any of the details or anything. Were can I find more information about this? Or could someone tell me how to do it?
Thanks.
sounds like liquid scintillation to me, although it doesn't involve any particles annihilating, and I'm not sure what you'd be able to find around the home that would provide enough scintillation light.

Liquid scintillation is almost always used to count beta and alpha emitters. You'd probably need a relatively high amount of activity, a really dark room and some good eyes to be able to see the scintillation light from anything other than the more commonly used liquid scintillation solutions (the ones I worked with were known as POP and POPOP and required special disposal procedures)
 
How do I make those kinds of things at home?
 
daniel_i_l said:
I read once that there is a home experiment that let's you see particles annhialating. I think it has to do with putting some radioactive material in a jar with a liquid and the you see little blinks of light? I don't remember any of the details or anything. Were can I find more information about this? Or could someone tell me how to do it?
Thanks.

I read about an experiment like that when I was a kid. It was in an old physics book too, a beginers book from the sixties. I think the source of radiation was a mildly radioactive substance that the don;t use in retail products anymore. It was basically just phosphoresent paint for the numbers on a clock so you could read it in the dark, by there were traces of radium or something in the paint so that it glowed stronger than the glow in the dark paint you get at a craft store (which simple absorbes light and radiates it later, I believe)

regardless, for the experiment you were supposed to put in paint scrapings in a jar filled with something (sorry, don't remember what) and the radiation cased visible "sparks" as it interfered with the substance in the jar. Sorry this is just from memory and I never was able to by the stuff meantioned in the old book. It was from a bygone era--ah the good old days when coke contained cocaine, paint contained lead, and radioactive isotpoes were available to five year olds.
 

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