Horsepower/friction problem, find Ff

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The problem involves a 900 kg car with a motor delivering 40.0 hp, maintaining a speed of 130 km/h on a horizontal roadway. The goal is to determine the friction force that opposes its motion at this speed.

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  • The original poster attempts to convert units and apply power equations to find the friction force, but encounters errors in calculations. Some participants question the accuracy of the unit conversions and suggest reviewing the calculations.

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Participants are actively discussing the problem, with some providing corrections and others seeking clarification on the original poster's approach. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method yet, but guidance on unit conversion has been offered.

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Homework Statement



A 900 kg car whose motor delivers a maximum power of 40.0 hp to its wheels can maintain a steady speed of 130 km/h on a horizontal roadway. How large is the friction force that impedes its motion at this speed?

Homework Equations


Power = work done by a force/time taken or force*speed
work = change in KE + change in PE
work = cosQsF where s = distance and F = Force
1 hp = 746 Watts
KE = 1/2mv^s
PE = mgh, g = 9.81 m/s^2

The Attempt at a Solution


first must convert to SI units :
130 km/hr = 1083.3 m/s ^2 , therefore takes .000923 sec for 1 meter
40 hp = 29840 Watts

to use or not to use:
If power = force*speed, 29840 watts = F - Ff (1083), F - Ff = 27.6 N
Fx = max, Fx = 900(1083) = 974,970
974,970 - x = 27.6 , Ff = 974997.6
WRONG

if Power = work/ time
.5(900)(1083^2) = change KE = 527800050
cos0(Ff)1083 = 527800050, Ff = 487350
WRONG

the correct answer is 826 N. I'd appreciate if you could explain how to arrive at this answer!
 
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I haven't worked all the the way through this yet, but I see you have a conversion error:
130 km/hr is not 1083.3 m/s ^2. Correct both the value and units and see if that gives the expected answer.
 
Ah! simple. it really is not the 'dog ate my homework' type excuse... but there are sticky keys on my calculator. thank you fewmet!
 
Hi, I know you did this a long time ago but I am having trouble with the same problem.
How did you get 826N?
I was trying to work it out like you had posted an for conversion factor I got 36.1m/s and I used that but it didn't work. Could you help please?
 

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