Hospitalized COVID-19 Brain Damage greater than in Alzheimers....

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The discussion revolves around the potential brain damage associated with COVID-19 compared to Alzheimer's disease, particularly focusing on neurodegenerative biomarkers observed in hospitalized patients. Participants explore the implications of elevated markers, possible causes, and the relationship between vaccination status and recovery from symptoms like 'brain fog'.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that neurodegenerative biomarkers in COVID-19 patients were elevated to levels similar to those seen in Alzheimer's disease, but clarify that this does not necessarily indicate greater observable damage such as lesions or plaques.
  • Questions arise about what other factors could contribute to the rise in biomarkers, suggesting a need for further exploration.
  • One hypothesis proposes that elevated markers might reflect early stages of damage that could be halted upon recovery from the virus.
  • Another viewpoint expresses concern that elevated markers could be linked to 'post-COVID brain fog', potentially indicating damage to the hippocampus and other neural structures, with varying recovery times among patients.
  • Participants discuss the lack of clear studies on the relationship between vaccination status and the severity or duration of 'brain fog' symptoms, with some suggesting vaccinated individuals may experience milder symptoms.
  • There is mention of autopsy findings showing the presence of the SARS virus in various organ tissues, including the brain, which complicates the understanding of post-acute sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 (PASC).
  • One participant references a study indicating that about one-third of patients may experience observable permanent cortical damage, raising concerns about potential impacts on cognitive function.
  • Discussion includes the nature of biomarkers, with a specific example given of C-reactive protein (CRP) as a marker for inflammation and its implications for cardiovascular health.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the implications of elevated biomarkers and the relationship between COVID-19 and brain damage. There is no consensus on the causes of the observed phenomena or the effects of vaccination on recovery from symptoms.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of definitive studies linking vaccination status to PASC rates, as well as the complexities introduced by post-mortem findings that may not apply to living patients.

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Hmm... true. What other things could cause the markers to rise?
 
Maybe it reflects a beginning or incipiency of a similar kind of damage, which is arrested when the infected person recovers from the virus.
 
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That would seem the best-case scenario, here's hoping!
 
Yes. A less bright-side possibility is that the elevated markers may be found to be associated with 'post-COVID brain fog', and that may be indicative of damage to the hippocampus and other neural structures. While most patients appear to fully recover from the 'brain fog' in about 3 months or sooner, for a comparative few, it apparently can last much longer. There are some infected in 2020 who still report lingering symptoms of it.
 
sysprog said:
Yes. A less bright-side possibility is that the elevated markers may be found to be associated with 'post-COVID brain fog', and that may be indicative of damage to the hippocampus and other neural structures. While most patients appear to fully recover from the 'brain fog' in about 3 months or sooner, for a comparative few, it apparently can last much longer. There are some infected in 2020 who still report lingering symptoms of it.
Any difference between vaxed and unvaxed on brain fog recovery rates?
 
As far as I know, the generality that symptoms encountered by vaccinated persons are very likely to be fewer and less severe would apply regarding 'brain fog', too.
 
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as of 1/17/2022:
I am unaware of any reasonable studies on how long Covid (PASC) rates associate with vaccination status. So I think it is fair to say 'we do not know'. There does appear to be a correlation between PASC onset and severe symptoms. Overview:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8525917/

Autopsies do show the presence of the SARS virus in many different organ tissues, including brain tissue. Obviously, death interferes with PASC determinations made in the morgue. A study on living people shows brain damage:
Thanks to @Tom.G
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v1
-- Pre and post Covid brain imaging data.
 
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Wow ##-## that study says that about 1/3 of patients get some observable permanent cortical damage ##-## makes me wonder whether SARS-CoV-2 could shave a little off of worldwide IQ normings. :oops:
 
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@Tom.G - markers are usually molecules: polypeptides/proteins

One example:

C reactive protein (CRP) is a marker for current , usually ongoing inflammation. And is usually a harbinger for impending new problems. So patients may be monitored periodically for it. Usually along with other biomarkers.

So we can say:
Patients with a high risk profile for Cardiovascular disease usually have elevated CRP. Any increase may signal impending new problems. Cardiovascular diseases are usually an inflammation mediated disease process. So it is a heredity/environment interaction.

See this patient guide:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...g-cardiovascular-risk-with-c-reactive-protein
 
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