How are neutrinos distributed in the universe?

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The discussion revolves around the distribution of neutrinos in the universe, particularly focusing on whether they are uniform or clustered in certain regions. Participants explore the implications of neutrino speed, gravitational effects, and detection challenges, touching on both theoretical and experimental aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that neutrinos are distributed uniformly in the universe due to their high speed, which prevents them from being significantly affected by gravity.
  • Others argue that while the distribution is generally uniform, primordial neutrinos might cluster gravitationally depending on their unknown masses.
  • One participant mentions that neutrinos are too 'hot' to clump by known mechanisms, although black holes might theoretically capture them, they tend to deconstruct what they capture.
  • Detection of the cosmic neutrino background is noted to be challenging due to the low temperature of the neutrinos, currently around 1.95K.
  • Participants discuss the PTOLEMY experiment, which aims to detect the cosmic neutrino background and measure neutrino masses, while also mentioning clustering in relation to gravitational effects.
  • Questions arise about distinguishing between different types of neutrinos (relic, solar, and man-made) based on their energy ranges and concentrations, with some noting that fission-related neutrinos behave differently from cosmic background neutrinos.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that neutrinos are distributed uniformly on a large scale, but there is disagreement regarding the potential for clustering, particularly in relation to their masses and the mechanisms involved. The discussion remains unresolved on the specifics of clustering and detection methods.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the unknown masses of neutrinos, the challenges in detecting the cosmic neutrino background, and the varying energy ranges of different neutrino sources.

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@mfb mentioned in a thread about dark matter how neutrinos don't conglomerate in galaxies and it got me wondering where they are. Considering that they move at nearly the speed of light, I understand why they couldn't be captured by galaxies, but what about large scale structures? Do neutrinos pool in dense pockets of the universe, or are they more or less uniform? Google doesn't provide me with any links.
 
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Unless you are close to a source (e. g. in a planetary system), the distribution of neutrinos from nuclear reactions is very uniform. The neutrinos are just too fast to be affected by gravity in any relevant way.
Primordial neutrinos might get slower today, but that depends on their unknown masses.
 
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Neutrinos are too 'hot' to clump by any known mechanism. A black hole might work, but, black holes have an annoying propensity to deconstruct things they capture. Neutrinos are strongly antisocial, they pass through other matter with great alacrity making it exceedingly difficult to slow them down.
 
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The distribution is highly uniform still, as the others above have mentioned. There are difficulties detecting the cosmic neutrino background directly, however, as the temperature of the neutrinos is currently about 1.95K. The Wikipedia article on the subject may be informative:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_neutrino_background
 
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PTOLEMY is a proposed experiment to detect the cosmic neutrino background, together with a highly accurate mass measurement. Clustering is also mentioned there.
 
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mfb said:
PTOLEMY is a proposed experiment to detect the cosmic neutrino background, together with a highly accurate mass measurement. Clustering is also mentioned there.
How can they distinguish between relic, sun made and man made neutrinos? I guess our nuclear power plants also create a lot of them. (Sorry if this question is stupid or explained in the article.)
 
mfb said:
PTOLEMY is a proposed experiment to detect the cosmic neutrino background, together with a highly accurate mass measurement. Clustering is also mentioned there.
They only mention clustering in passing and cite the study I linked to, which is focused on gravitational clustering.
 
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fresh_42 said:
How can they distinguish between relic, sun made and man made neutrinos? I guess our nuclear power plants also create a lot of them. (Sorry if this question is stupid or explained in the article.)
All of these have very different energy ranges and/or concentration depending on the placement of your detector.
 
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Orodruin said:
All of these have very different energy ranges and/or concentration depending on the placement of your detector.
And type. Fission-related neutrinos are antineutrinos which don't induce tritium decay. All other sources of man-made neutrinos are irrelevant unless you build your detector deliberately in a neutrino beam (like OPERA for example) - but those have GeV energies, compared to the meV energies of cosmic background neutrinos.
 
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