How Are Tangents to a Circle Found and Their Intersection Point Determined?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equations of tangents to the circle defined by the equation x² + y² = 169 at specific points (5, 12) and (5, -12), as well as determining the intersection point of these tangents. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving steps related to geometry and calculus.

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  • Some participants note that the circle is centered at the origin and discuss the relationship between the radius and the points of tangency.
  • One participant calculates the slope of the line from the origin to the point (5, 12) and derives the slope of the tangent line as -5/12, leading to the equation 5x + 12y = 169.
  • Another participant suggests using calculus to differentiate the circle's equation to find the slope of the tangent line at the points of tangency.
  • There is mention of an alternative method to find the tangent lines based on the property that tangents are perpendicular to the radius at the point of tangency.
  • Participants propose different methods for solving the intersection of the two tangent lines, including adding and subtracting the equations to eliminate variables.

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Participants present multiple methods for finding the tangent lines and their intersection point, indicating a lack of consensus on the preferred approach. There are competing views on whether to use calculus or geometric properties, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to apply.

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Some participants express uncertainty about notation and the completeness of their explanations. There are also indications of missing assumptions or steps in the mathematical reasoning, particularly regarding the intersection point calculation.

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Tangents are drawn to the circle x^2 + y^2 = 169 at the points (5,12) and (5,-12).

A. Find the equations of the tangents.

B. Find the coordinates of the point where these two tangents intersect.

I need steps for parts A and B above.

I know the equation x^2 + y^2 = 169 is a circle of radius 13. The two equations I must find touch the circle at the two given points.
 
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Also, the circle is centered at the origin, so the two lines perpendicular to the tangents pass through (0, 0) and (5, $\pm$12). If a line is perpendicular to another line with slope m, its slope is -1/m.

Is that sufficient information for you to solve the problem? If you have any questions (on notation, perhaps) please ask. :)
 
greg1313 said:
Also, the circle is centered at the origin, so the two lines perpendicular to the tangents pass through (0, 0) and (5, $\pm$12). If a line is perpendicular to another line with slope m, its slope is -1/m.

Is that sufficient information for you to solve the problem? If you have any questions (on notation, perhaps) please ask. :)

When time allows, I will post my complete reply.
 
RTCNTC said:
Tangents are drawn to the circle x^2 + y^2 = 169 at the points (5,12) and (5,-12).

A. Find the equations of the tangents.

B. Find the coordinates of the point where these two tangents intersect.

I need steps for parts A and B above.

I know the equation x^2 + y^2 = 169 is a circle of radius 13. The two equations I must find touch the circle at the two given points.
The slope of the line through the origin (the center of the circle) and (5, 12) is [math]\frac{12}{5}[/math]. Since the tangent to the circle at that point is perpendicular to that line is perpendicular to it, it has slope [math]-\frac{5}{12}[/math]. Since it goes through (5, 12) its equation is [math]y- 12= -\frac{5}{12}(x- 5)[/math]. We can write that as [math]12y- 144= -5x+ 25[/math] or [math]5x+ 12y= 169[/math].

Similarly the slope of the line through the origin and (-5, 12) is [math]-\frac{12}{5}[/math] so the slope or the tangent line is [math]\frac{5}{12}[/math]. The equation of the tangent line is [math]y- 12= \frac{5}{12}(x+ 5)[/math] which we can write as [math]12y- 144= 5x+ 25[/math] or [math]12y- 5x= 169[/math].

To solve (b), find (x, y) that satisfy both 5x+ 12y= 169 and -5x+ 12y= 169. I suggest first adding the two equations to eliminate x.
 
I will work on this when time allows.
 
"Tangents are drawn to the circle x^2 + y^2 = 169 at the points (5,12) and (5,-12).

A. Find the equations of the tangents.

B. Find the coordinates of the point where these two tangents intersect."

There are two ways to do (A).

Using Calculus: Differentiating with respect to x, 2x+ 2yy'= 0. AT (5, 12) that is 2(5)+ 2(12)y'= 10+ 24y'= 0 so y'= -10/24= -5/12. The line through (5, 12) with slope -5/12 is y- 12= (-5/12)(x- 5) or 12y- 144= -5x+ 25 which we can write as 5x+ 12y= 169. At (5, -12), that is 2(5)+ 2(-12)y'= 0 so y'= 5/12. The line through (5, -12) with slope 5/12 is y+ 12= (5/12)(x- 5) or 12y+ 144= 5x- 25 which we can write as 5x- 12y= 169.

Without Calculus, using the fact that a tangent to a circle, at a point on the circle, is perpendicular to the radius at that point: The radius at (5, 12) is the line through the center of the circle, (0, 0) to (5, 12). It has slope 12/5 so a line perpendicular to it, the tangent line to the circle, has slope -5/12. Now finish as before. Similarly for the tangent at (5, -12).

The equations of the two lines, 5x+ 12y= 169 and 5x- 12y= 169, added together, give 10x= 2(169) so x= 169/5. If we subtract the second equation from the first, we get 24y= 0 so y= 0. The two tangents intersect at (169/5, 0). The fact that the y coordinate is 0 should have been obvious from the symmetry of the situation.
 

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